July 02, 2007
Bad News Bulls
From the Wall Street Journal (page A2 in the print edition):
Economic growth in the U.S. is likely to recover as the year goes on, but that might not be an entirely good thing, according to the latest Wall Street Journal survey of forecasters.
The Journal's seers are feeling rather chipper about the near-term prospects for economic growth...
Having run a veritable gantlet of threats to its health, the nation's economy is in a better place than it was just a few months ago...
The 60 economists who took part in the survey, conducted in mid-June, offered a mostly upbeat outlook for an economy that has recently sustained declines in both manufacturing and business investment, and that still faces a deepening housing slump.
With consumer spending holding up, a weaker dollar propelling U.S. exports and a pickup in production and investment, they expect real gross domestic product -- a broad measure of economic activity, adjusted for inflation -- to grow at an annualized rate of 2.6% in the second half of this year and 2.9% in 2008. That is down from 3.3% in 2006, but much better than the 0.7% pace of the first quarter of 2007.
... but worry that the Fed might ruin the party:
Forecasters, however, also see a mounting risk: Thanks to longer-term shifts in the U.S. and global economic landscapes, even a little growth could lead to a resurgence of inflation, which would be painful for American consumers and could cause the Federal Reserve to ride the brakes by keeping short-term interest rates higher.
The real-side rationale is pretty straightforward:
With consumer spending holding up, a weaker dollar propelling U.S. exports and a pickup in production and investment, they expect real gross domestic product -- a broad measure of economic activity, adjusted for inflation -- to grow at an annualized rate of 2.6% in the second half of this year and 2.9% in 2008. That is down from 3.3% in 2006, but much better than the 0.7% pace of the first quarter of 2007.
It is probably worth pointing out that the survey was conducted over the period from June 8th through the 18th, before last week's run of negative news in the housing market. And looking at the most recent spending data, Calculated Risk -- not a member of the survey panel as far as I know -- is skeptical that consumer spending is "holding up":
You can use the monthly series to exactly calculate the quarterly change in PCE [Personal Consumption Expenditures]. The quarterly change is not calculated as the change from the last month of one quarter to the last month of the next (several people have asked me about this). Instead, you have to average all three months of a quarter, and then take the change from the average of the three months of the preceding quarter...
... in general, the two month estimate is pretty accurate. Maybe June was exceptionally strong, or maybe April and May will be revised upwards, but the two month estimate suggests real PCE growth in Q2 will be about 1.5%.
That seems entirely plausible, but month-to-month and quarter-to-quarter changes in specific categories of spending tend to jump around:
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Thus, to CR's initial question on perusing the May PCE numbers...
Is this just a one quarter slowdown? Or is this the beginning of a housing related slump in consumer spending?
... I'd side with those saying not slumpy enough to cause real problems -- at least not so far as we can tell at this point. No, what the Journal's experts really seem concerned about is the price picture:
An increasing number of economists worry that the battle with inflation isn't over, despite the benign message sent by recent data. As of May, the Fed's preferred measure of inflation -- the "core" index of personal-consumption prices, excluding food and energy -- was up only 1.9% from a year earlier. That compares with 2.4% as recently as February.
It seems to me that The Skeptical Speculator has about the right take on the issue:
The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas publishes two other measures of inflation based on personal consumption expenditures. The first is the overall personal consumption expenditures price index that is already reported by the Commerce Department. The other is the trimmed-mean price index that excludes components of personal consumption expenditures that have the highest and lowest rates of change.
The latest data provided on the Dallas Fed website show that these other measures of inflation remain above the Federal Reserve's comfort zone. The 12-month inflation rate based on the overall PCE price index was 2.3 percent in May and the inflation rate based on the trimmed-mean measure was 2.2 percent...
Based on this observation the Skeptical One draws this conclusion...
... with the economy expected to recover from the second quarter onward, further moderation is likely to be limited. In fact, many economists think inflation will re-accelerate as the level of resource utilisation in the economy remains high despite the recent slowdown.
... an opinion that is shared by the WSJ panel:
In the survey, one in five forecasters saw a resurgence of inflation as the greatest risk facing the economy. That is more than twice the proportion who saw it as the No. 1 risk six months ago. As a result, they now see little chance that the Fed will lower its target for short-term interest rates from the current 5.25% by December. They do, however, lean toward a cut to 5% by June 2008. Six months ago, they were betting the Fed would cut rates to 4.75% by December.
December is, of course, a long way away.
July 2, 2007 in Exchange Rates and the Dollar, Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy, Forecasts, Inflation, The "Landing" Strip | Permalink
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Posted by:
spencer |
July 03, 2007 at 07:30 AM
Spencer -- "is that the best the economy can do right now?" is a tricky question. I have a real business cycle heart beating deep within, so I make a distinction between short-run potential growth and long-run potential growth. I do think that 2.5% is below the long-run potential -- the 2.9% forecast for 2008 is getting closer. However, I'm less certain about the balance of the year. I suspect that there is still a fair amount of resource reallocation to pass through as a result of the housing market travails -- that could certainly damp potential growth in the short-run. On the other hand, I lean against the rote assertion that higher-than-expected growth necessarily brings inflationary pressure. Given the stance of monetary policy, I suspect that any acceleration in economic activity will be associated with a productivity pick-up, which I would lose no sleep over at all.
Anyway, darn good question.
Posted by:
Dave Altig |
July 03, 2007 at 11:33 AM
June 26, 2007
What's That Unpleasant Sound?
According to Lombard Street Research, it's a credit crunch. From the U.K. Telegraph (hat tip, Action Economics):
The United States faces a severe credit crunch as mounting losses on risky forms of debt catch up with the banks and force them to curb lending and call in existing loans, according to a report by Lombard Street Research.
The group said the fast-moving crisis at two Bear Stearns hedge funds had exposed the underlying rot in the US sub-prime mortgage market, and the vast nexus of collateralised debt obligations known as CDOs.
"Excess liquidity in the global system will be slashed," it said. "Banks' capital is about to be decimated, which will require calling in a swathe of loans. This is going to aggravate the US hard landing."...Lombard Street’s warning comes as fresh data from the US National Association of Realtors shows that the glut of unsold homes reached a record of 8.9 months supply in May. Sales of existing homes slid to an annual rate of 5.99m.
The median price fell for the 10th month in a row to $223,700, down almost 14pc from its peak in April 2006. This is the steepest drop since the 1930s.
The Mortgage Lender Implode-Meter that tracks the US housing markets claims that 86 major lenders have gone bankrupt or shut their doors since the crash began.
The latest are Aegis Lending, Oak Street Mortgage and The Mortgage Warehouse.
It is worth noting that those are specifically mortgage-lending corporations not commercial banks, so I am not clear on the basis of this claim:
Lombard Street said the Bear Stearns fiasco was the tip of the iceberg. The greatest risk lies in the “toxic tranches” of lower grade securities held by the banks.
Much-trumpeted claims that banks had shifted off the riskiest credit exposure on to the asset markets was “largely a fiction”, said [Charles Dumas, the group's global strategist].
In fact, the article contains more assertions than facts. But I think it is agreed that if there is going to be a really big spillover effect from ongoing housing woes, this is where we'll find it.
June 26, 2007 in Housing, Interest Rates, The "Landing" Strip | Permalink
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I'm highly skeptical of Lombard's position. Banks have used CDOs to lay off credit risk moreso than the other way around. And I don't see the link between poor performance on sub-prime MBS pools and bank loan pools.
I really think the CDO market will prevent a generalized credit crunch, rather than cause it. This is because the risk of poor performing loans is more spread out today than at any time in the past. If many banks/investors suffer small losses, the impact on liquidty system wide will be less than the classic case, where a few banks suffered large losses.
Posted by:
TDDG |
June 26, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Dave,
Mortgage-lending companies are dying off because they cannot sell the subprime loans they are originating. With the credit well drying up---and refis becoming a distant memory---, subprime mortgage defaults will inevitably increase, creating large losses for the owners of the lower tranches of MBS and CMOs (hedge funds and banks; what is the difference between a hedge fund and a bank's trading desk these days anyway?).
As losses mount, banks will become ever more cautious, starving even the more creditworthy borrowers (typical credit crunch story). Note that lending standards have recently been tightening even on the prime borrowers. In April Senior Loan Officer Survey, a net 15% of lenders said they have tightened their standards for prime borrower (48% for nontraditional, 56% for subprime borrowers). The tighter standards hurt not only the shaky borrowers but also those who cannot sell their homes due to a dearth of buyers.
We could easily see the problems spread from the toxic products to more traditional loans and higher quality MBS/CMO tranches. If that turns out to be the case, I'd say Lombard is underestimating the problem.
P.S.: Commercial bank/investment bank distinction is no longer all that relevant. Lombard is talking about banks in general, not commercial banks per se.
Posted by:
Oracle of Cleveland |
June 26, 2007 at 02:41 PM
The article makes it sound like this isn't just subprime: a credit crunch like that would mean it would be difficult for even high FICO borrowers to get a mortgage. If you think housing is in bad shape now, just imagine what that would (will?) be like.
Posted by:
TiP |
June 26, 2007 at 05:38 PM
I also doubt that banks are big holders of CDO equity tranches. On the other hand: Bloomberg reported this weekend that junk bond buyers are getting pickier about accepting new paper that is very highly levered and/or with weak covenants. And today (June 26) the WSJ discussed the possibility that leveraged loans might become harder to place in CLOs (collateralized loan oblidgations).
Put it all together and we are seeing indications that lenders' appetite for risky paper -- be it from private equity borrowers to finance LBOs (with the hope that the loans be placed in junk debt or CLOs) or from laxly underwritten mortgages (to be repackaged as CDOs) may be on the wane.
At the top of each economic cycle we learn that excess liquidity eventually dries up. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what is starting to occur.
Posted by:
JB |
June 26, 2007 at 11:04 PM
I see no basis for TDDG's assertion that, "If many banks/investors suffer small losses, the impact on liquidty [sic] system wide will be less than the classic case, where a few banks suffered large losses."
Even if the individual losses experienced by the "many investors" are small relative to those suffered by the "few banks" in the classic case, those losses will not necessarily be small from the viewpoint of those investors, and the degree to which those investors retreat from lending as a result of those losses may be much greater. After all, as they are not banks, they are not "to big to fail", and not supported by the FRB commitments to guaranteed banks profitability by reducing short-term rates below long rates whenever they need to repair their balance sheets.
The dispersal of risk is more likely to increase the impact on liquidity than to decrease it.
Posted by:
jm |
June 27, 2007 at 03:30 AM
When I said "large" I meant proportionally not absolutely.
Let's say that a large corporation has loans with only 2 banks. If that corporation fails, those two banks may be in trouble. A bank failure surely decreases system-wide liquidity.
Alternatively, let's say that the banks securitized that loan and is now owned in a CDO structure, which is held by dozens of hedge funds. The loss is absorbed by the CDO structure and spread around many investors. Something like that doesn't sour investor appetite for credit risk.
You also have to ask yourself, where is all the liquidity going to go? Drastic oversavings by non-US investors will be invested somehow.
Posted by:
TDDG |
June 27, 2007 at 11:39 AM
I suspect that we are living in a rather different world of credit intermediation now than in the past. The focus on banks assumes that the risk of financial disintermediation depends on whether banks are will and able to continue lending, A lot larger share of credit flow now goes through non-bank institutions than in the past. If those institutions crack up, then disintermediation becomes a problem even with banks relatively unscathed. Having a sound banking sector means there would be a credit channel to fall back on, but the transition would be painful, if a transition is necessary.
Posted by:
kharris |
June 27, 2007 at 12:01 PM
One answer, TDDG, is that some of this liquidity will disappear once hundreds of billions of instruments currently carried at face value of the books of many banks and funds are marked to their true values close to zero.
You had better believe that the margin calls on bear's hedge funds will not be the last. The major ratings agencies are finally being forced to revisit their pie-in-the-sky ratings on may such securities, as press reports this week made clear.
No collateral, no loan, goodbye liquidity.
Posted by:
Gary |
June 27, 2007 at 12:03 PM
That assumes that the problems in sub-prime MBS will leak into other credit products.
Maybe we're arguing semantics, but I wouldn't say that sub-prime consumers experiencing decreased access to funding is tantamount to a liquidity crisis.
Posted by:
TDDG |
June 27, 2007 at 03:16 PM
One view among the causes of the great depression was a general loss in confidence with the financial system.
The scorecard on the sub-prime meltdown is unsettling. The fact that both the credit ratings given these instruments and the current price are complete fabrications is a much bigger problem.
Should the entities that own this phony paper be allowed to continue the sham ? Or, in the interest of free markets, should they be ordered to revalue immediately ?
What other so called financial markets have been undermined by wall street. Equities ?
This is not just an isolated incident in an obscure security. The problem has ramifications across all free financial markets.
What a dilemna.
Posted by:
zinc |
June 27, 2007 at 10:55 PM
TDDG replies to mine of 03:30AM, "The loss is absorbed by the CDO structure and spread around many investors. Something like that doesn't sour investor appetite for credit risk."
From the looks of things, rather than being spread around and diluted, the risk is being distilled and concentrated to 200 proof by leverage as the hedge fund managers swing for the fences with other people's money.
"You also have to ask yourself, where is all the liquidity going to go? Drastic oversavings by non-US investors will be invested somehow."
As Gary writes above, some of the liquidity is going to disappear as it becomes undeniably clear that many of these loans will never be repaid. Still more of it will disappear as falling home prices annihilate illusory wealth and reduce consumption -- the Asians can't recycle dollars we don't send them, and as their overbuilt export industries are forced to cut wages and employment, political unrest may exacerbate conditions.
Posted by:
jm |
June 28, 2007 at 01:15 AM
It used to be that money supply multiplication through the fractional reserve banking mechanism was limited by the reserve requirements. The classic description was that $1000 of deposits into Bank A funded $900 of loans, which became deposits at other banks and funded $810 of loans, and so on in decreasing amounts (assuming a 10% reserve requirement). But some time ago the FRB reduced bank reserve requirements to zero for time deposits (presumably because the banks otherwise couldn't compete with non-bank lenders who were unencumbered with any reserve requirement).
It is interesting to contemplate what will happen if a consensus forms that the problem of banks being unable to compete with other entities that have no reserve requirements would be better dealt with by imposing reserve requirements on those other entities, rather than by removing them from the banks.
Posted by:
jm |
June 28, 2007 at 01:33 AM
I disagree with the assertion that we are hearing an "unpleasant sound." On the contrary, I think we are observing and hearing a truly robust open market system as it reasonably "adjusts" to changes in "perceived" values of assets and instruments. This is what a *dynamic* system is *supposed* to be like.
On Monday, the entire first half of 2007 will be completely behind us, and without even a hint of any "systemic" crisis. Sure, we do not know what the final haircut will be for the markdown of mortgage-related assets and instruments, but the simply fact is that everybody has had more than enough time to fiddle with their portfolios to make sure that they can "handle" this "crisis." Sure, we will continue to see failures and bailouts here and there in various niches for a bit longer, but there doesn't seem to be *any* "pressure" building up that would cause a true "systemic" problem.
Geez, all this whining about the "subprime crisis" is making Paris Hilton, Chicken Little, Nervous Nellie, and The Boy Who Cried Wolf look like paragons of backbone.
Most of what is going on right now is simply the flip side of "talking up your book", where the circling vultures are trying to talk down the value of mortgage-related assets and instruments so that the harcut fire sale prices are as "sweet" as possible. That, plus the players who bailed out LTCM while Bear Stearns refused to participate in that bailout are now enjoying the "payback" of letting Bear twist slowly in the wind.
Rest assured, the system *is* working. It is a truly amazing thing to behold. Sure, it is not as smooth-running as a watch, but this is America where risk is *supposed* to be the heart and soul of our lives.
-- Jack Krupansky
Posted by:
Jack Krupansky |
June 28, 2007 at 01:57 PM
... without even a hint of any "systemic" crisis ...
I'd opine there are numerous hints of systemic crisis. And the fallout from ludicrously loose mortgage lending -- of which subprime is just the first component to surface, and probably not as large as the Alt-A component waiting in the wings -- has only just begun.
What we're seeing now is just the leading edge of the mortgage default wave, and foreclosures are not yet impacting market prices in most areas. But the supply glut alone is forcing prices down, such that as the still-to-come ARM resets hit home, more and more will be owing more than their home is worth and unable either to refinance or to sell without bringing money they don't have to the closing.
In Arlington Heights, IL there are now 34 homes listed at prices over $1 million, with five more at $999k or $995k. And the number of sales recorded as of May 11 in that price range? Just one. Between $900k and a million? Three. The corresponding numbers for all of 2006? Six and eleven.
Shall we do a little gedanken experiment?
Suppose the Top 40 listings on the MLS do finally sell this year, for the same prices as the Top 40 actual sales of 2006 (though it's clear even that would be optimistic). Let's line them up below and see the deltas line by line. We find that the average haircut off the asking price would be $350k, and is $250k even down at the 40th line -- one of the $995k homes would have to go for $750k. The average price drop is 28%
And this would be just the impact of oversupply -- foreclosures aren't even in the picture yet.
Top 40s
2007 Asking 2006 Sale Delta
$2,199,000 $2,478,000 ($279,000)
$1,899,900 $1,160,000 $739,900
$1,690,000 $1,100,000 $590,000
$1,580,872 $1,100,000 $480,872
$1,549,000 $1,040,000 $509,000
$1,499,000 $1,040,000 $459,000
$1,499,000 $994,000 $505,000
$1,490,000 $992,500 $497,500
$1,449,000 $955,000 $494,000
$1,425,000 $950,000 $475,000
$1,350,000 $950,000 $400,000
$1,350,000 $930,000 $420,000
$1,299,900 $915,000 $384,900
$1,299,000 $905,000 $394,000
$1,290,000 $900,500 $389,500
$1,274,900 $900,000 $374,900
$1,250,000 $900,000 $350,000
$1,250,000 $889,000 $361,000
$1,249,000 $880,000 $369,000
$1,229,000 $880,000 $349,000
$1,199,900 $875,000 $324,900
$1,199,000 $871,500 $327,500
$1,198,872 $865,000 $333,872
$1,195,000 $860,000 $335,000
$1,185,000 $855,000 $330,000
$1,185,000 $850,000 $335,000
$1,175,000 $850,000 $325,000
$1,149,000 $835,000 $314,000
$1,149,000 $825,000 $324,000
$1,125,000 $825,000 $300,000
$1,099,000 $810,000 $289,000
$1,089,000 $805,000 $284,000
$1,059,900 $797,500 $262,400
$1,049,000 $796,000 $253,000
$1,025,900 $787,500 $238,400
$999,000 $775,000 $224,000
$999,000 $774,000 $225,000
$999,000 $772,000 $227,000
$995,000 $762,500 $232,500
$995,000 $750,000 $245,000
Sum of deltas: $13,993,144
Average delta: $349,829
If someone's about to contend that these homes are owned by rich people who will be able to wait forever to get their wishing price, note that the MLS photos show more than 70% of these homes to be vacant, and most are new construction on teardown lots.
Posted by:
jm |
June 29, 2007 at 01:50 AM
jm: Even if all of your numbers and inferences were 100% correct, *none* of that would establish even the proverbial "hint" of a *systemic* crisis.
Your "experiment" is micro-economic in nature, whereas any "systemic" crisis would have to be macro-economic in nature. Micro vs. macro is never simply a matter of scaling up by multiplying by a large number.
Anecdotes are wonderful for illustrating issues, but they never "prove" a thesis, nor are they ever particularly useful when searching for "hints" about systemic risks.
There are still plenty of investors with huge amounts of money in liquid, low-yield financial instruments waiting anxiously for new opportunities for higher rates of return. Haircuts, the more dramatic the better, are a *good* thing in terms of opening up new investment opportunities in a low-yield "flat" world.
As far as your vacant homes, what fraction of them are "spec" homes? Add another column for the cost or "investment" that the builders/speculators have tied up in these properties. The big, open question is what hind of investment losses such "investors" can take before those losses might somehow have an impact on the big-picture "real" economy and not simply the profit picture for a narrow niche of speculative activity. I suspect that even in a worst-case scenario the big-picture impact as well as the "systemic" impact are likely to be barely noticable and lost in the noise of overall economic activity, probably even significantly less than the organic demographic growth that the U.S. domestic economy is experiencing every year.
If you actually have "hints" of *systemic* crisis... "Bring 'em on!"
-- Jack Krupansky
Posted by:
Jack Krupansky |
June 29, 2007 at 11:45 AM
The vacant homes are almost all spec homes, Jack, but the point is not that the builders' losses are going to cause a systemic crisis -- indeed, if their true out-of-pocket construction costs were under $100/sqft, which they may well be, then even though the teardowns probably cost them about $300k, they'll only suffer decreased profits, not losses.
The point is that these houses aren't going to sell until they cut the prices 30+%, and those price cuts are going to crush the price structure of the entire market below. When million-plus homes are selling for $750k, the people who thought they owned $750k homes, and either paid $750k for them, or refinanced out equity based on that belief, or even just were expecting to cash out for retirement at that price, are going to have a rude awakening, most especially so because nearly the entire populace has come to believe that real estate is an absolutely sure-fire investment that can never go down.
If the builders have such huge margins they can cut their million-plus McMansions 30% and still make money, the carnage down below will be even worse -- because they'll keep on building even more!
A major factor fueling the recent bubble was that young people who formerly would not have bought homes until much later in life,and then would have bought them with 10% or 20% down using fixed-rate loans at prices that would have put their payments well under 40% of income, have been lured/ panicked by the sure-thing/priced-out-forever mantras into paying ridiculous prices with toxic ARMs and nearly nothing down, with payments far above 40% of income. Not only has this pulled forward demand -- they're not going to be first-time buyers in their 30s, as they've already got a home -- many will lose those homes to foreclosure or short sale and be so damaged financially they'll not be able to buy again for a decade; and they'll be pushing homes back into the glutted market, not taking them out. As those forced sales and foreclosures hit the market, prices will fall even further.
Most important, the beliefs that real estate can only go up, and that you must buy as much as can as soon as you can, with as much leverage as you can possibly get, is going to be totally destroyed -- just as it was in Japan.
I'll never forget the day in the late 90s when some young Japanese friends came out to Narita to give me a ride into Tokyo, and along the way mentioned that they were thinking of buying a condo, but had decided to wait a few years, "because prices will be even lower then."
Once bubble psychology starts to disintegrate in the face of a glut, the process is regenerative and can't be stopped.
A 30% average fall in the US housing price level will destroy $6 trillion of illusory wealth that most people thought was completely secure, and which fueled much more leveraged buying and borrowing than the dot-com bubble. Margin debt in the dot-com era peaked around $250 billion, only a fraction of the current margin debt equivalent in mortgages (and they only let you use 2:1 leverage in stocks).
When the baby boomers realize that the wealth they thought they had in their homes was never really there, and that they're going to have to save for retirement rather than fund it by cashing out of their home (and that that sure-thing-investment second home they bought is an albatross), consumption spending is going to take a nasty hit. This will be exacerbated by the fact that pension funds are significantly exposed to a real estate bust. The savings rate is going to go back to 8+%. Think about what that means not just to US business, but also to the export-dependent economies of Asia.
But of course you won't even see a hint of systemic crisis in this, right, Jack?
Posted by:
jm |
June 29, 2007 at 05:27 PM
jm: Hmmm... "But of course you won't even see a hint of systemic crisis in this, right,"
That's correct. Nothing in your *hypothetical* scenario is *real* *evidence* of a "systemic" crisis. Hypothetical versus real... you do understand the difference? Of course you do, but for reasons unknown to me, you defer to hypothetical over real. Why is that?
I'm always willing to consider alternative points of view and certainly always willing to look at hard *data*, but when you've had an opportunity to come up with *real* evidence, all you come up with is a hypothetical story of a hypothetical chain of events cthat is completely divorced from reality.
So, do you have any actual, real, live evidence of any hint of systemic crisis? Not hypotheticals, but real evidence?
From all the hard evidence I have been able to access, it still appears that the overall financial "system" is humming along quite well and not showing *any* signs of a "systemic crisis" approaching the level of the S&L or LTCM crises.
You are of course certainly free to contrive any and all hypotheticals (where would the dismal science be without hyptheticals), but I would suggest that you refrain from claiming or suggesting that any hypothetical constitutes evidence (or even a hint) of a likely outcome.
-- Jack Krupansky
Posted by:
Jack Krupansky |
July 02, 2007 at 11:41 AM
Jack,
So you consider my Arlington Heights Top 40 data above "hypothetical"? I don't think you can get more real than actual 2007 listings versus actual 2006 sales, and the actual fact that 70+% of the listings are vacant, and that as of May 11 there had been only one, repeat one, sale in the town in the asking price range of the Top 40, and only three more even down to $900k.
What matters is not whether a prediction is "hypothetical", all predictions, including that "the sun will rise tomorrow" are "hypothetical". What matters is the degree to which a prediction is based on relevant historical experience, and we know from experience that when loose lending allows assets to be bid up to prices far out of line with historical levels and other price levels (e.g., wages), a crash and severe systemic strain nearly always follow.
You wrote, "all you come up with is a hypothetical story of a hypothetical chain of events that is completely divorced from reality."
Neither the Top 40, nor the pulling forward of demand among under-30s, nor the beginning of the end of abusive mortgage lending is divorced from reality.
"From all the hard evidence I have been able to access, it still appears that the overall financial 'system' is humming along quite well and not showing *any* signs of a 'systemic crisis' approaching the level of the S&L or LTCM crises."
If you review the history of the S&L and the LTCM crises, you will see that were no "signs" at all before the latter, and that the numerous signs preceding the former were all of exactly the same nature as those I described.
In 1929 in the US, 1989 in Tokyo, and again in 2000 in the US, the overall financial systems were, at least judging by the sort of "hard data" you demand, humming along quite well right up to the point of crash, with no "hints of systemic crisis" other than numerous variations on the theme of loose-lending-fueled asset pricing excess -- and predictable disintegration thereof -- that we see around us today.
I must add that it's also a bit odd that you seem to consider the S&L and LTCM debacles as "systemic crises", and that there is no hint of problems as large as them. Relative to the crises now approaching, they were small potatoes.
Posted by:
jm |
July 03, 2007 at 01:27 AM
I must add that I am not one of those who believes there is going to be any complete collapse of the financial system. There was no complete collapse of the financial system even during the Great Depression (except perhaps in Germany). I do believe we are going to have a long "period of adjustment" that will be quite painful to a significant fraction of the population.
Posted by:
jm |
July 03, 2007 at 01:45 AM
jm: I'm sorry you misinterpreted my point that was not a reference to your specific anecdotal evidence (specific housing prices), but was a reference to the long chain of inferences that you drew about the future from that one anecdote.
As far as "relevant historical experience", I do hope that you will acknowledge the distinction between corelation and causation and acknowledge that history does tell us that we need to consider all factors and not a cherry-picked set of factors when considering any situation, and most importantly, that the future can *never* be so mechanically predicted from cherry-picked data in the manner that you have suggested. Sure, the your outcome *might* transpire, just as any other outcome *might* hypothetically transpire, but you seem to be claiming that it *will* transpire, which is a strong claim that doesn't seem justified given the nature of the financial system and economic scenario we have with us at present, in particular, the *huge* levels of liquidity combined with stubbornly low interest rates and stubbornly low inflation expectations.
If LTCM showed us one thing, it is what the Fed can do without actually doing anything.
I should acknowledge that there are a range of interpretations for the term "crisis" and it is possible that you simply interpret the term differently than I. To me, a crisis is when life comes to a screeching halt and everybody stands still with their mouths open looking at each other wondering what to do. I gather that for you a "crisis" is simply an issue that pops up and must be dealt with that even hints about a change in the status quo.
So, when you say "the crises now approaching", should I simply interpret that as "the issues and tough decisions now approaching"?
-- Jack Krupansky
Posted by:
Jack Krupansky |
July 03, 2007 at 11:02 AM
The less didactic tone of your response is most welcome. Regret I cannot respond in any detail until tomorrow. See you then (if not, have a good 4th).
Posted by:
jm |
July 03, 2007 at 04:11 PM
June 03, 2007
Taking It Slow
The recent spate of relatively good economic news has some people thinking rosier scenarios. From the Wall Street Journal (page A3 in yesterday's print edition):
The latest data show employment and manufacturing growing at a vigorous rate, suggesting the U.S. economy is regaining momentum after a slow start to 2007...
Nonfarm employers added 157,000 jobs to their payrolls in May, nearly double the 80,000 new jobs recorded in April, the Labor Department said Friday. Led by the service sector, the rebound brought the three-month average job gain to about 137,000, a pace strong enough to keep unemployment low and wages rising. The unemployment rate held steady at 4.5%.
Meanwhile, the Institute for Supply Management, a purchasing managers' trade group, reported that its index of manufacturing activity came in at 55 in May, up from 54.7 in April, indicative of expanded factory production. That is a stark contrast to earlier this year, when manufacturing activity was contracting.
Economists saw the reports as confirmation that the economy is regaining momentum despite the pain that high gasoline prices and the housing slump are inflicting on the consumer...
How quickly the economy rebounds will depend to a large extent on how U.S. consumers, whose purchases make up more than two-thirds of all economic activity, respond to the conflicting influences of high gasoline prices, falling house prices, a robust stock market and rising incomes. Friday, the latest reading on the University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index suggested they were still in relatively good spirits: The index rose to 88.3 in May from 87.1 in April.
It does feel like we've gained a little breathing room, but this picture sticks in my mind:
That second quarter of 2000 should remind us that it sometimes looks pretty sunny before the storm.
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Interesting chart and always worth remembering. Although...
January 1, 2000 Fed Funds Rate: 5.5%
May 16, 2000 Fed Funds Rate: 6.5%
Oops!
I do agree that we're not quite out of the woods yet, but I do think we can see the edge of the forest from where we are.
Posted by:
Steve |
June 03, 2007 at 10:56 PM
"sometimes looks sunny before a storm"...now see Dave if you were a sailor this might B penned a wee bit different...but who cares really about squalls or calms? Tis the tanning season when we roast our butts on the sand and gawk at the sails out there from a safer and drier perspective.
Ok then.
Part of that drier perspective (Shall we just skip that gratuitous "wages rising"? We shall.) includes:
"Economists saw the reports as confirmation that the economy is regaining momentum despite the pain that high gasoline prices and the housing slump are inflicting on the consumer.."
a retroactive recognition that the housing market has spilled over, no? That pain from the "high gasoline prices" is nothing on the pain I feel reading spill containment blurbs like this from folks whose portfolios are quite capable of handling $3 gas...who might appreciate the thinning of traffic congestion with $5 gas.
Last cotton pickin (very dry) thing:
"Friday, the latest reading on the University of Michigan's consumer sentiment index suggested they were still in relatively good spirits: The index rose to 88.3 in May from 87.1 in April."
Let it B known that I will never consent to this index being used as a guide to my spirits. Can you imagine the crafting that goes into teasing out the seasonal adjustments, the weekly adjustments, the personal adjustments? And the audacity to carry that one off to 3 significant digits...with the straightest of faces. (Jamie's Plonking Type I, no?)
Posted by:
calmo |
June 04, 2007 at 01:53 AM
A man falls out of a very tall building. As he is falling past the 40th floor, someone asks “How is it going?” The man answers, “So far, so good.”
Posted by:
Oracle of Cleveland |
June 04, 2007 at 08:39 AM
This is on a different topic, but I was wondering if someone had an explanation for the disconnect between advance durable goods new orders/shipments and unfilled orders since 2005? See: http://www.ny.frb.org/research/directors_charts/pi_10.pdf. Thanks in advance, Sam
Posted by:
SamK |
June 04, 2007 at 10:56 AM
On the one hand the inventory correction -- except for housing -- seems to be over and production is rebounding. On the other hand final demand continues to weaken. So is the extra production going back into inventories?
Posted by:
spencer |
June 04, 2007 at 12:59 PM
Sam,
I get a dead page ("you are not allowed...") when I hit your link. However, I think I know what disconnect you mean. The rapid rise in unfilled orders vs more moderate gains in new orders and shipments? Boeing accounts for a lot of it. Boeing orders are running massively ahead of shipments in just about every month. Boeing seems to have a maximum capacity of around 37 full-sized commercial aircraft completed per month, and monthly orders are running way ahead of that, on average. The result is a growing pile of unfilled orders.
There are other factors at work, but I think that explains nearly half of the growth in unfilled orders over the past year. Unfilled orders of factory goods were up 19.9% y/y in April while orders ex-transport were up just 11.8%. Unfilled non-defense aircraft orders were up 40.2%, vehicles and parts up just 6.6%.
Posted by:
kharris |
June 04, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Kharris,
That's it! It makes perfect sense ... Thanks a lot for the explanation,
Sam
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SamK |
June 04, 2007 at 04:58 PM
White House Lowers Growth Estimate
Wednesday June 6, 12:25 pm ET
he White House on Wednesday lowered its forecast for economic growth this year even as it slightly upgraded its outlook for unemployment.
Under the administration's new forecast, gross domestic product, or GDP, will grow by 2.3 percent as measured from the fourth quarter of last year to the fourth quarter of this year. That's down from a previous projection of 2.9 percent.
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Barry Ritholtz |
June 06, 2007 at 01:20 PM
TradeTheNews Economic Forecast: INT'L TRADE
Cargo Execs: April Trade Gap Narrows as Oil Imports Plateau, Dlr Softens
•Import Rebound from the Chinese New Year Lull Fails to Impress
•Oil-Related Imports Flat Versus March, But Seen Shooting Up Again in May
•Auto Imports Softened in April, Nosedived in May
NEW YORK (EconoPlay) June 6 – Export growth remained on a consistent upward trajectory in April, influenced by a weakening dollar – spelling relief for the monthly trade gap in defiance of continuing, heavy petroleum-related imports, cargo officials say.
Imports are presenting a fuzzy and fractured portrait these days. Consumer goods from Asia rebounded from the Chinese New Year hiatus but failed to match year-ago levels. Auto imports slowed in April then took a stunning dive in May.
Petroleum-related imports in April were about even with heavy March inflows. But the trade gap could widen again in May as gasoline imports spiked ahead of the summer drive season at record prices.
The U.S. Commerce Department is scheduled to release international trade data for April on Friday at 8:30 a.m. ET. The above commentary also explored May on a preliminary basis
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Mark |
June 07, 2007 at 03:23 PM
May 17, 2007
Soft, Not Too Soft
This morning's email from the Goldman Sachs Global Markets Research Group contains this assessment:
The recent industrial news, including April US industrial figures yesterday, have been positive, especially as it reduces the probability of one of the tail risks in the market, i.e. too soft growth. Nevertheless, we think the market remains too optimistic about US growth trends going forward. This is highlighted in the current Blue Chip Consensus, which shows US GDP growth rebounding from 1.3% in Q1 (which as the US Daily discusses overnight is likely to be revised down) to 3% as soon as second half of this year.
If our US growth views prove correct, the market may yet need to revise down its growth expectations. In that regard, it is striking how growth expectations in the equity markets (as captured by our Wavefront US growth basket) have continued to grind higher.
So, while we are comfortable with our view of a US soft landing, markets may need to adjust to a less optimistic macro reality than is priced in. This potential downward adjustment could prove to be one of the several road bumps for risky assets in coming quarters.
Not everyone will have to revise down those expectations. The economists queried for last week's Wall Street Journal forecasting survey seem to (at least broadly) share the Goldman view:
On the whole, the 60 economists predict gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic output, will grow at a 2.2% annual rate this quarter. Over the second half, they expect growth of about 2.6%, which is a slight reduction from what they had forecast in a survey conducted last month. They don't expect growth to reach 3% until the second quarter of 2008.
Certainly the voices of Fed chairs past and present, while not endorsing a particular forecast, are aligned with the no-tailspin crowd. From Bloomberg:
The Fed chairman maintained his forecast that the slump in housing won't have a broader impact on the economy. "We do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or financial system,'' Bernanke said.
Fed officials this year have cited the housing recession as a main risk to growth, which was the weakest in four years last quarter. Bernanke's comments today reflect the consensus of policy makers that the downturn in housing is unlikely to cause consumers to cut spending. Former Fed chief Alan Greenspan also said that subprime problems aren't spreading to lower-risk loans.
"The prime market is doing reasonably well,'' Greenspan, who retired in January 2006, said today at a meeting hosted by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in Atlanta. "Some people are holding off on purchasing homes. Even so, we are getting a gradual rise in the prime market.''
Meanwhile, the rest of the world seems to be doing pretty well, thank you. Back to the Goldman boys:
We do not expect the prolonged period of sub-trend US growth that we foresee to cause major problems for the rest of the world. Recent data has shown further evidence of global decoupling with softer US economic news on the one hand (soft retail sales), and robust growth dynamics in the rest of the world, particularly in Europe and China (Q1 GDP growth in Euroland was above consensus and the April activity data for China have been strong).
However, this begs the question of how bad it would have to get for the global decoupling theme to unravel?
In our latest Global Economics Weekly, we extended the spill-over analysis we conducted last year to study the growth experience of other major economies (Japan, Germany, UK and France) conditional on whether US economy is contracting (i.e. real growth on qoq terms is negative) or expanding (i.e. real growth on qoq terms is positive)...
... Overall, our analysis supports our thinking that as long as US growth remains in expansion mode (which we forecast), other major economies should be able to decouple.
According to a report in todays the Wall Street Journal, some rather astute folks think it may be the other way around:
Early last year, [chief investment officer at Pacific Investment Management Company William H.] Gross's outlook for the U.S. bond market hinged on housing. "We did our homework," he says. "We sent out scouts into middle America, down to Florida." They did make some correct calls, such as predicting a drop in long-term interest rates last summer.
What Pimco didn't foresee was the impact on the U.S. of the strength in the global economy, led by China and the rest of the Asia. Mr. Gross says they recognized there was inherent strength abroad. But they counted on issues such as the U.S. trade deficit and increasing leverage around the world to have "snapback potential like a rubber band" that would restrain growth and allow the Fed to lower rates. That didn't happen.
Either way, the soft-landers appear to be feeling their oats.
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March 20, 2007
Where The Risk Is
And so it appears that the moment of truth is near, when we will finally see beyond the immediate fate of the housing market and determine the magnitude of the collateral damage (no pun intended). I think that there is a consensus that, if the worst is to come, some sort of substantial disruption to financial markets will be in the middle of it all. Nouriel Roubini covers about every inch of territory you can on this theme, even managing to juxtapose Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke with foreign-policy neo-conservatives. In somewhat more measured tones, Kash Mansori and Calculated Risk have begun to fret about the potential for spillover into the commercial banking sector. Says Kash:
In my previous post I explained why I think that the quantity of bad mortgages in the US economy may actually be enough to significantly affect the non-performance and write-off rates for the US banking system as a whole. Yesterday, Calculated Risk followed this up with a discussion of why he thinks that the health of commercial real estate loan portfolios may soon suffer the same fate that residential loan portfolios are currently experiencing.
Some of that is not speculation, as this story from own neck of the woods so clearly shows:
The quaking U.S. market for subprime mortgage loans is rattling National City Corp. too.
The parent of National City Bank of Pennsylvania has decided it won't try to sell $1.6 billion in subprime loans after all, due to "adverse market conditions," National City said in a securities filing Thursday. The loans "are currently not saleable at what management considers an acceptable price," the bank said.
Instead, Cleveland-based National City took a write-down of $11 million in February, and sometime this month will return to its portfolio the loans it had intended to sell. "A further write-down is likely," the filing said. Spokeswoman Kristen Adams would not elaborate...
Additionally, National City expects to add "on the order of $50 million" to its reserves for possible loan losses, the filing said.
But here's how the story ends:
National City shares closed yesterday at $35.99, up 30 cents.
Hmm. Frankly, I just don't think the traditional banking sector is where be the dragons. Instead, I worry about the answers to three questions: 1. Will a growing perception of risk begin to choke off lending to investment projects that are otherwise economically viable? 2. Will a growing perception of risk cause businesses to forgo or defer an increasingly large quantity of investment projects? 3. Have hedge funds, private equity funds, and specialty financial corporations become such important parts of the credit channel that there is scant relief to be found from a relatively unscathed traditional banking sector?
To question 1, we have this, from Bloomberg:
Risk premiums on investment-grade corporate bonds are at their highest level in more than three months on concern rising delinquencies by subprime borrowers will slow the U.S. economy...
"This period of volatility is likely to continue as long as there is divided opinion about the magnitude and resulting financial impact of the subprime problem,'' said Edward Marrinan, head of North American credit strategy at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in New York. "Subprime risks and accompanying fears of a spillover into the broader consumer sector are the catalysts for the heightened volatility currently exhibited by all risky asset classes,'' he said in an interview...
The 7-basis-point increase in investment-grade spreads is the index's worst three-week performance since the period ending May 20, 2005, Merrill data show. The increase means a company would pay $70,000 more in annual interest for every $100 million borrowed.
We might hold on to the belief that firms are partially insulated from rising borrowing costs (or restrictions on loan availability) due to the fact the corporate cash-flow to investment ratio remains relatively high...
... but there are two problems with seeking shelter in that picture. First, we have data only through the third quarter of 2006, which is pretty stale information at this point. Second, and more importantly, a high cash-flow to investment ratio may itself be a symptom of business's unwillingness to commit to fixed investment spending.
To question number 3, I have no idea what the answer is. And I wish I did.
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"Hmm. Frankly, I just don't think the traditional banking sector is where be the dragons."
Fannie Mae got some attention from Bernanke recently, like his noisy predecessor, asking for more constraints...as if there were dragons, no? It has been a few years since this company has filed an annual statement and a special privilege to still be allowed a listing on the market.
Kasriel years ago (03?) warned of banks' record exposure even then to income streams from mortgages or mortgage related activities. So there could be many little dragons waiting for those moments when few are buying new mortgages --not to mention the defaulters.
China makes a splash recently about not adding to its US foreign reserves. That kindness of strangers might ebb a little, but if the consumer weakness materializes as some think in the months ahead, that trade picture might improve with decreasing Imports like we saw last quarter. This doesn't look like a dragon, but finding more private foreign investors to fund the deficits (esp that agency paper) and maintain the US status as "the best place to invest"--as the largest housing boom in history is fracturing, might be the largest dragon.
Posted by:
calmo |
March 21, 2007 at 01:03 AM
How's this for positive? I think the FED wording this a.m. was as strong as I could've hoped for. Good job, so far.
NOW, we let's hope Board members, who have a need to attend those week-after "free" luncheons, spend more time eating & less time soothing the heartburn of those who feed them.
Posted by:
bailey |
March 21, 2007 at 02:23 PM
Bozo re your observations on biz investment. Look at S&P500 free cash flow vs durable goods shiopments (ex defense and aircraft). This will give you a number up to date as of Jan. That biz investment is running at record lows relative to cash flows is no shock. Production platforms are now global in scale and the business investment that would normally occur in the US now occurs overseas. The surge in US direct investment overseas in recent years almost perfectly matches the "unusual" softness in biz investment in the US. That, along with sovereign flows explains why the cost of capital (i.e. bond yields are relatively low).
Posted by:
Market God |
March 21, 2007 at 09:35 PM
March 19, 2007
Are We Panicking Just A Bit Too Soon?
If there was any doubt about it before, that groaning sound from the residential housing market definitely has our attention now. A woefully incomplete list of blogger commentary from the past several days would include items at Alpha.Sources blog (here, with some international perspective here), at Angry Bear, at Beat the Press, at The Big Picture, at Bizzy Blog, at Brad DeLong's, at Daniel Gross, at Economic Dreams - Economic Nightmares (here and here), at Economics Unbound, at Economist's View (here and here), at Euro Intelligence, at Felix Salmon, at The Housing Bubble Blog (here and here), at Mish's Global Economic Trends Analysis, at the Skeptical Speculator, and at The Street Light. I won't even bother to list individual items from Calculated Risk or Nouriel Roubini. Just head on over and start reading.
In the midst of this, let me make one brief plea for a little perspective: It might be good to remember that this was not entirely unexpected. Since at least summer I have been giving "economic outlook" speeches with the same basic message: Weakness in the residential housing market will continue for some time -- the bottom in prices seems unlikely until at least mid-year. Adjustments of this sort are never easy, there will be some pain, and probably a disruption in the pace of economic expansion as things sort themselves out. The punch line is always something like, "but things do sort themselves out, and there is no reason to expect that the economy will fail to return to a normal pace of growth after a sluggish quarter or two."
Anything yet make that projection look wrong? Not within my confidence intervals. Forecasters, economic pundits, and other human beings are congenital slaves to the latest surprises in the data, so confidence has ebbed and flowed and ebbed again as the news has surprised to the downside, to the upside, and back again. But would anyone really want to argue that we aren't in the neighborhood of where most informed observers thought we would be about now?
Trouble, of course, often looks worse when it arrives than it did when we were merely contemplating its arrival. It is understandable that we feel a little wobbly now that the shake-out among certain mortgage lenders is here at last. And there are parts of the "soft-landing" scenario that look a bit tenuous at the moment -- I would put the worrisome signs of weakening business investment expenditures, emphasized by pgl at Angry Bear and Jim Hamilton at Econbrowser, at the top of my list. But for the time being, I'm going to go easy on the panic button.
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"Oh, 37 inches to go. Huzzah! At the rate we've been melting, that's good for about one more week!" ~ Professor Fate "You'd better keep it to yourself." ~ The Great Leslie "Oh, of course I'll keep it to myself. Until the water reaches my lower lip, and then I'm gonna mention it to SOMEBODY!" ~ Professor Fate
Posted by:
RP |
March 20, 2007 at 01:11 AM
It's not too early to panic -- it's too late.
The great glut of condos and McMansions in Chicago and its suburbs is already in place. A large fraction is already vacant, and as the coming recession drops the home ownership rate among the under-30 set from its current record level back towards its early-90s level (as they're forced to move back with the folks, or double up with roommates), the fraction vacant will rise even higher, and prices will plunge.
The pricing structure in the single family home market is also going to crumble, starting from the high end where there's more than a year's worth of inventory.
The effect of this is going to be the same as in Japan -- total destruction of the myth that real estate can only go up, and that young people have to buy as quickly as they can, no matter what the price, or be "priced out forever".
Posted by:
jm |
March 20, 2007 at 01:39 AM
What's fascinating to me has been the parade of denial the entire time this was unfolding.
Its not that it was so obvious in hindsight, but rather, a handful of people made the timely observation, and were shouted down by the frat boys at the kegger.
Now the hangover has just started, and the recriminations have begun in earnest.
Its all terribly, terribly amusing.
Posted by:
Barry Ritholtz |
March 20, 2007 at 05:45 AM
Nicely said Barry, but I think we can be even more direct.
David's been coming down hard on bears predicting this for months /years.
And now he's trying to take CREDIT ?
Amusing is one way to put it. Frightening that people like him get to be in govt. service is another way.
Posted by:
RN |
March 20, 2007 at 08:56 AM
I'm with Dave A. on this one, it is too early to "panic". Let's wait until the regulatory actions enacted to correct the abuses are actually implemented, THEN let's panic.
Everyone knows CA's economic influence on our national economy, it's huge. Aside from the FED 10/14/06 Non-traditional Mtg. "Guidance" to its national banks and the recent desintigration of our most agressive subprime originators, credit in CA remains VERY easy & VERY cheap. 100% mtgs. & no doc loans are readily available to all but those with terrible credit. Why has CA yet to sign on to CSBS non-traditional guidelines FOUR MONTHS after they were issued? Anyone who's interested need only check the percentage of CA mtgs. regulated by other than FED. bank guidelines. CLEARLY, CA has caved to r.e. pressure to get in one more selling season. This wouldn't be possible if Freddie-Mac, a Gov't. sponsored Enterprise, hadn't delayed implementation of its new loan guidelines until Sept. (Its rationalization qualifies for a mastercard commercial - it's priceless!)
Meanwhile, last week I received THREE MORE credit card invites offering me 0% interest on balance transfers & purchases for the next 15 months.
Meanwhile, we listen to Republican leaders of industry grovel for FED intervention to insure recent policy changes don't hurt the poor folk.
Meanwhile, ....
Posted by:
bailey |
March 20, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I agree with Dave on this one. There are reasons to be concerned for sure, but we aren't at the "I told you so" point yet. Overall, the job market continues to create jobs, and interest rates have remained low. Sanguine, maybe, but hitting the panic button is a little premature.
That said, I believe that inflation is a concern, and will forestall any Fed action in the near future, and that liquidity issues in the residential mortgage market may impinge on the demand side, and reduce absorption of housing units.
Posted by:
Nathan |
March 20, 2007 at 01:11 PM
I think that Dave A's point might have a bit to do with this little interchange between Agent J and Agent K (from movie: "Men In Black"):
--------------------------------
"Agent K: We do not discharge our weapons in view of the public!
"Agent J: Man, we ain't got time for this cover-up bullshit! In case you've forgotten, there's an Arquillian battle cruiser--
"Agent K: There's always an Arquillian battle cruiser or a Correllian death ray or a plague intended to wipe out all life on this miserable little planet, and the only way these people can get on with their lives is that they do Not KNOW about it!"
---------------------------------
It seems to me that we have been living on the edge of catastrophe for quite some time, one way or another. Just ask my wife. She has had to live with my negativism since the last housing bust, the Japanese supremacy moment, and so on. Maybe that's just the way it is, AND the way it is going to be.
OR maybe Keynes/Minsky (and others) had (have) some insight into the workings of complex systems that have not YET been worked into our thinking/policy development re: central banking.
If so, then we have a lot to think about and talk about re: useful roles for government AND for markets, as the bubbles continue to froth, and particularly in the aftermath of any crashes close at hand or further away. None of us gets to but prognosticate as to "future".
Posted by:
Dave Iverson |
March 20, 2007 at 02:20 PM
Well, Dave, I am at the "I told you so" point. :)
Posted by:
Oracle of Cleveland |
March 20, 2007 at 03:27 PM
Something funny about this "Panic Button" and the advice not to use it without due care and attention...is it our quest for law and order at all times even and especially those chaotic moments where we think we can redirect people into submission by posting "Use restraint when pushing the Panic Button".
Dave points out that the blogs are pretty noisy, but the MSM is pretty quiet. Too quiet, yes? [Way too quiet for us bloggers who feel the MSM is concealing, not helping.] So there are 2 buttons apparently: the troublesome Panic Button which we might never have the presence of mind to use, at least not properly...and the Arise Button which we know did not work so well when it came to saving those pies from the rats.
Posted by:
calmo |
March 20, 2007 at 05:00 PM
RN -- What is that you think I am trying to take credit for? All I said is that (a) the consensus expectation for some time has been that housing-market woes would, in fact, leave a mark, but not send the economy into a full-blown tailspin; and (b) from everything we know, the hard-landing scenario still amounts to *speculation* about what will unfold. Maybe it will unfold soon, but the data just simply does not support the view that a broad-based crash has arrived.
As for being "hard on bears predicting this", what exactly, is "this"? Let's suppose real GDP growth comes in somewhere between 1 and 2 percent for the first quarter, which seems pretty reasonable at this point. Is that lower than I would have predicted, say 6 months ago? Yes. Is it within the range that I would have bet against? No. Is this what the "bears" mean by "hard landing"? If so, I concede.
Posted by:
Dave Altig |
March 20, 2007 at 05:15 PM
I also side with Doctor Dave. He must now do whatever it takes to contain inflation, even if that means declining to acknowledge a sectoral collapse that threatens years of economic dislocation. The Fed did what it could do by raising rates subject to the constraints of the most recklessly corrupt administration in living memory. To resist the realty-financial complex would have been institutional suicide - look what happened to poor Franklin Raines. With an emasculated administration it's finally possible to lance the giant boil. Just step back, there's going to be lots of pus.
Posted by:
creon |
March 21, 2007 at 01:30 PM
Do I detect a little political bias in creon's post?
Examine:
"The Fed did what it could do by raising rates subject to the constraints of the most recklessly corrupt administration in living memory." (So short now this memory bit. Consider Scooter's appeal. You forgot?)
Or this:
"With an emasculated administration it's finally possible to lance the giant boil. Just step back, there's going to be lots of pus."
And as squeamish as I am, I wouldn't mind seeing this corruption laid out by Waxman and spread to the entire country prime time...but that's dreaming.
I am hoping that this "emasculation" has not infected the Dems, but that is not so clear from where I sit.
Posted by:
calmo |
March 21, 2007 at 04:22 PM
Hey, that was a purely technical post. The giant boil denotes the bad and fraudulent debt, not the admittedly purulent official corruption. And the salutary effect of emasculation is merely to disband the K Street project, protecting the FOMC from annihilation by real estate interests. To put it in more literal terms, the Fed is now free to burst the carbuncle of malinvestment with the pinching fingernails of monetary restraint, subject to the systemic infection of global spread-product illiquidity.
Posted by:
creon |
March 21, 2007 at 09:21 PM
> Maybe it will unfold soon, but the data just simply
> does not support the view that a broad-based crash
> has arrived.
I threw the baseball up very hard.
I believe the baseball has escape velocity,
primarily because it has not yet come down,
and the fact that it has slowed down does
not mean it won't escape orbit.
I'm not going to panic until a welt develops
on my forehead.
If you insist.....you're the professor.
Posted by:
RP |
March 28, 2007 at 08:43 PM
February 07, 2007
Summing Up 2006
With the results on economic activity in 2006 nearly in -- details available at Econbrowser -- I think the verdict, as Kash concludes, is pretty clear:
Despite the worries of some (such as myself), 2006 turned out to be a pretty good year for economic growth. Not great, but certainly solid.
The Capital Spectator is even more upbeat: "Expected or not, 3.5% growth is impressive." Carpe Diem gets to the point: "The Dangerfield Economy Rocks."
The themes are nicely captured by the employment picture:
Michael Mandel focuses on the pace of net job creation in health services, but I see no particular reason to place special emphasis there. Outside of retail trade, employment growth in the service-producing industries did just fine, thank you.
Although manufacturing is almost never a source of significant net job creation, the dichotomy between the fortunes of the service and manufacturing sectors has been showing up clear as day in the ISM business conditions indexes -- nicely illustrated by the Capital Spectator and covered from a global perspective at The Skeptical Speculator. Construction employment reflects the housing-centric part of the story, which is as much about what will come as what has been. Calculated Risk looks ahead, and sees substantial declines in construction employment in the months to come, and it is the view of many -- I'd say most -- that there are more shoes to drop in the housing sector. Dean Baker, for example, notices that the Wall Street Journal notices "the record vacancy rates of ownership units." And I noticed that the Journal articled also noticed something else I noticed:
Not surprisingly, buildings with five or more units -- which include condos that were magnets for speculators -- had the highest rate of vacancy. The vacancy rate among these units rose to 11% in the fourth quarter from 7% in the first quarter. For single-family homes, the vacancy rate rose to 2.3% in the fourth quarter from 1.8% in the first quarter.
Ben Jones rounds up yet more commentary on the vacancy rate report, which has become the latest piece of proof that, no matter what you see, things just aren't as good as you think. Indeed, in the midst of plenty of reasons to have positive feelings, skepticism abounds. PGL touches the employment elephant and feels higher unemployment, a decline in the labor-force participation rate, a shorter average workweek, and "very modest" growth in wages. Under The Street Light, Kash has some similar thoughts. Michael Shedlock sees a declining trend in job growth (albeit in the murk of revisions that has apparently become getting increasing unrealiable in real time).
But, but, but. Fact is, we did pretty well last year, and indications so far are that, in early 2007, the US economy is keeping on keeping on. Not that the risks being touted are safely ignored. It is a fact that there was a surge in mortgage originations with adjustable rate contracts during the height of the housing boom:
If reports are to be believed -- and I have no information to suggest that they shouldn't -- a good chunk of those new adjustable rates are soon to be adjusted, to uncertain effect. And I take seriously Dean Baker's admonition to beware the seasonals -- just how much weather might have distorted the statistics or shifted production and spending decisions, we don't yet know.
A sensible person should always take account of the risks that exist. But the truth is that the evidence from last year does not easily support an assertion that the US economic train is about to derail. Do worry, but go ahead, be happy.
February 7, 2007 in Data Releases, Housing, Labor Markets, The "Landing" Strip | Permalink
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There is a way to get free access to the Wall Street Journal with a netpass from: http://news.congoo.com
This has been in several blogs lately.
Posted by:
Rachel Gumphrey |
February 07, 2007 at 11:24 AM
Good advice, "be happy", happy people go to the malls. Nothing would bring our ever-faster spinning economy to its knees quicker than if people decide to pay down the outrageous debt they've accumulated in the last four years.
Don't worry, be happy - DOW 20,000 here we come!
Don't worry that is, unless you have kids & grandkids you love.
Posted by:
bailey |
February 07, 2007 at 01:28 PM
Geez, Bailey. I'd swear if a had a post that said "It's a beautiful day today, I think I'll play golf" you'd respond "Yeah, but ....
Speaking of the WSJ, here's an excellent article talking about our economy from a financial historians point of view.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB117063838651997830.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
Posted by:
cb |
February 07, 2007 at 03:16 PM
HOW DARE YOU TELL ME TO BE HAPPY!
Posted by:
DrToast |
February 07, 2007 at 06:04 PM
CB, If it were baseball games we were discussing (sorry, I haven't dressed up in funny clothes to swat at mesquitos for a very long time) & you contributed as much as Dave does to this site, I'd probably offer you my seats for a few Angels games. That would be fair for the inquisition I've been holding here lately, don't you think?
Posted by:
bailey |
February 07, 2007 at 08:08 PM
kudos for "Dangerfield Economics".
For the Happiness Case, one has to concede a point or 2 on that account.
For the Worry Case, let's kindle our fears and anxieties on this:
"But the truth (accept reasonable facsimiles) [leveraged and notional amounts] is that the evidence from last year does not easily support an assertion that the US economic train is about to derail."
and imagine the sweat you might be in if you bought a house last year. No, of course you couldn't afford anything but a sub-prime mortgage. There are more than a few in this bucket as the folding of some of these sub-prime lending agencies now attest.
But no worries, even Greenspan noted that there would be some (fools who listened to him and went for the ARMs), but not many.
There would be a manageable correction and a return to trend.
So the impetus that the housing market has imparted to the economy over the last several years will be supplanted by....a military expansion?
Ok, that's all I can do for the Worry Case.
Posted by:
calmo |
February 07, 2007 at 08:16 PM
And a fine job you did, calmo. Although I'll note I did give you permission to worry -- bailey wouldn't let me get away with doing otherwise.
Posted by:
Dave Altig |
February 10, 2007 at 01:48 PM
Stinging remark Dave...this happiness business is so touchy. The idea that happiness can be commanded (or perhaps even stranger, "permitted"). You see what I mean? Not quite the same story for worry...a la "I would worry if I were you...", some sort of recommended emotional set given the facts if only I could get you to appreciate them.
I don't know which is more idiotic: trying to command someone to Be Happy (or Worry) or the commander. It reminds me of my father dishing out corporal punishment (I know this is hard to believe but as a toddler I got my ass spanked a lot.) and then demanding to know that I still loved him. People need time to digest circumstances maybe. And economists can, I suppose, embellish a case for happiness or worry...and, provided you just didn't get your ass spanked (or lose your house), you might be susceptible to this persuasion.
Posted by:
calmo |
February 11, 2007 at 01:20 AM
Well, I must say that 2006 was an unexpectedly great year for equity investments. US stocks are almost fairly valued.
Posted by:
Rich Berger |
February 11, 2007 at 08:21 PM
January 02, 2007
Forecasting Season
Barry Ritholtz catches the general theme of the latest Economic Forecasting Survey from the Wall Street Journal (page A1 in the print edition):
Economy Poised For '07 Rebound,Forecasters Say
Weakness in Housing, Manufacturing Is Likely To Take a Lighter Toll
Other than a few economists, the overwhelming consensus view is for a soft landing and GDP growth of 2.5% to 3.0% in 2007.
The Economic Cycle Research Institute, an independent forecasting group, said its Weekly Leading Index slipped to 138.5 in the week ending Dec. 22 from 139.7 in the prior week, due to higher interest rates and more jobless claims.
However, annualized growth in the week ended Dec. 22 rose to 3.8 percent from 3.4 percent in the prior period, a reading not reached since last February.
"Given the steady improvement in the WLI, recession is no longer a serious concern," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director at ECRI.
Ten-year Treasuries and mortgage rates have not gone through the roof. As a result, housing is going to be OK -- and a thousand doomsday forecasts must be put aside.
... the next few months will show whether my mid-2006 forecast of a US hard landing in 2007 will be proven true or not. Certainly some of my more recent forecasts for financial markets (equities fall, fixed income rally), about Fed easing in 2007, lack of real economy decoupling in the rest of the world are highly conditional on this US hard landing call. I am still of the view that the risks of a hard landing are high.
The economists surveyed expect year-to-year inflation to decline to 1.7% in May from 2.0% in November. As a result, they expect the Fed to shift its focus from fighting inflation to helping the economy grow, lowering short-term interest rates to 4.75% by the end of 2007 from the current 5.25%.
It looks like the Bank of England may not be done with interest rate hikes. Not with the continued house price increases reported by Reuters...And there could be more rate hikes from the European Central Bank as well. Reuters reports:The case for more euro zone rate hikes got a boost from stronger than expected November money supply data on Friday and from comments on Thursday by ECB Governing Council member Yves Mersch, who said rates remain low in historical terms...
At Eurozone Watch, Daniela Schwarzer and Sebastian Dullien concur:
Is the ECB going to raise interest rates towards 4 percent?
Yes. The strong growth outlook will push the ECB to raise its interest rates to 3.75 percent in the first half of the year and by a further 25 basis points later on. As inflationary pressure is still limited, the ECB will refrain from tightening much faster. Risks to this call are, however, a stronger than expected US downturn or a strong appreciation of the euro. In these cases, the ECB might delay a further hike beyond 3.75 percent.
They also predict:
The euro will most likely further gain in value. There is a significant risk that it rises above 1.40 $ in 2007. Two factors are supporting the young currency: With further interest rate hikes by the ECB, investment in the Eurozone will become more attractive. Moreover, the possibility of a rate cut by the US Federal reserve still remains. Finally, there is a risk that central banks in Asia and from OPEC countries continue to diversify their portfolios and buy euros.
For their part, the consensus among WSJ group is that the dollar will stabilize near 1.3 per euro, about where it is today (though Claus Vistesen thinks there has already been enough appreciation and monetary policy to make a "dent" in eurozone growth).
Now we'll all wait and see how it is we will be wrong.
UPDATE: Cotango is going to "hold to my view that 2007 is going to be a rough year for the US economy: 1.5 % GDP growth" and beleives that "If it does get rough, the Fed will have to open the liquidity valves full blast". David K. Smith reports on forecasts for the UK (where projected growth is close, but still higher, than expectations for the US).
January 2, 2007 in Europe, Exchange Rates and the Dollar, Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy, The "Landing" Strip, This, That, and the Other | Permalink
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"Now we'll all wait and see how it is we will be wrong."
Excellent, David! Bravo.
Here's how it is we could be wrong: with long-term rates lower (4.75%) than nominal GDP growth (5.50%), MEW rebounds, sending GDP north of 3.25%. Meanwhile, elevated resource utilization and the sliding dollar make the CPI creep up further. Et voilà! FFR @ 6% (not a forecast, just a -scary- scenario).
Posted by:
Raphael Kahan |
January 03, 2007 at 04:42 AM
Another thought: forecasters don't seem to think the wealth effect from surging equity prices will be important. They might be wrong. People don't own as much stocks as they own house equity, but the 20% or so increase in the indexes this year is a lot more than the 12% or so housing did last year.
Posted by:
Raphael Kahan |
January 03, 2007 at 10:50 AM
April 12, 2006
Mr. Greenspan And The IMF Find Common Ground?
Greenspan warns on global asset price fall, Financial Times/Reuters: Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan warned on Wednesday a global glut in liquidity would result in a fall in asset prices.
... while Kash has this at Angry Bear:
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- After several years of low interest rates and ample liquidity, storm clouds are developing over global financial markets, according to a new report from the International Monetary Fund.
Well, by definition higher interest rates mean lower bond prices, and I guess the idea is that, because an equity price is something like the discounted flow of future dividends, higher interest rates mean lower equity prices too.
Is this bad? Before you answer that question, the first thing to recognize is that interest rates are prices, and prices don't just magically change -- they rise or fall because demand and/or supply change. If interest rates are rising because global economic growth is strengthening and investment opportunities expanding, I'll have to put that in the good, or at least benign, category. (And note that higher interest rates do not mean that equity prices fall -- while higher interest rates mean a larger discount is applied to dividend or earnings flows, it is also the case that faster growth means those flows themselves increase.)
On the other hand, interest rates may rise, particularly in the United States, because global savers lose confidence in the dollar, or financial fragilities cause global production opportunities to contract. I'll put those types of rate increases in the bad, or at least not-so-good, category.
If I had to guess, I would put Mr. Greenspan closer to the good-to-benign story. From the (UK) Times Online:
Mr Greenspan said that the situation would end when the amount of excess capital dropped. “I don’t know when the liquidity is going to decline, but I am reasonably confident that what we have is an abnormal situation,” he said. His comments echoed his famous 1996 warning over “irrational exuberance” in markets. However, asked yesterday whether the same diagnosis applied to present conditions, he said: “I would hesitate to use it in today’s context. Irrational exuberance, I think, would be a stretch at this point.”
Comparing that savings-gluttish take with the "storm clouds" rhetoric of the IMF, I'm not quite sure Mr. G and the good folks at the IMF see quite the same picture just yet.
UPDATE: Kash suggests, in the here and now (as the 10-year Treasury yield finally breaches the 5 percent threshold), the "rise in rates reflects a belief that the economy will continue to remain strong through the rest of the year."
April 12, 2006 in Interest Rates, The "Landing" Strip, This, That, and the Other | Permalink
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January 25, 2006
Hard Landing? Still Waiting
Calculated Risk samples Brad Setser:
Thomas Palley is right: "Foreign flight" (a shock to the United States ability to borrow savings from abroad) is very different from "Consumer burnout" (a slowdown in US demand growth). In both the foreign flight and the consumer burnout scenarios, the US economy slows and the dollar falls. But in the foreign flight scenario, as Palley notes, the fall in the dollar and rise in US (market) interest rates triggers the US slowdown, while in the consumer burnout scenario, the US slump triggers dollar weakness. Foreign flight would combine dollar weakness with higher US (market) interest rates, consumer burnout combines dollar weakness with lower interest rates.
This morning's news brings this observation on the "consumer burnout" front, from Bloomberg...
Sales of previously owned homes fell in December for a third straight month, evidence that housing demand was starting to falter at the end of a record year, economists said before a private report today.
Sales of existing homes fell to a 6.87 million annual pace last month, the slowest since March, from 6.97 million in November, according to the median of 59 forecasts in a Bloomberg News survey. Sales haven't fallen for three straight months since 2002. They are down from a record 7.35 million rate in June.
Higher home prices and borrowing costs will curtail demand this year after home sales reached a fifth straight record in 2005, according to real estate industry forecasts.
... and this on the "foreign flight" business, from MarketWatch:
Treasury prices closed at their lows Tuesday, keeping yields higher, after lukewarm response to an auction of 20-year Treasury Inflation-Protected Securities re-inforced worries that there is not enough demand for this month's heavy fixed-income supply...
The weak response played into fears that an exceptionally plentiful amount of government and corporate bonds issuance this month is weakening demand and driving up borrowing costs.
On the bright side though, a full 56.1% of the bids came from indirect bidders, a category that includes foreign central banks. That result should help soothe concerns that foreigners may be backing away from U.S. assets.
Place your bets.
January 25, 2006 in Data Releases, Housing, The "Landing" Strip | Permalink
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i got my bets placed. i am pretty much 100% in stocks. and i was more than 50% out of stocks around 2000-2001.
stocks in the U.S. will go up this year.
Posted by:
anon |
January 25, 2006 at 05:17 PM
I've been about 45% gold and silver and 40% oil since 2001.
Thank heaven. It's been a very, very good run.
And the dollar adjustment hasn't even begun yet.
Posted by:
RN |
January 25, 2006 at 10:42 PM
Who knows? It would be easier if we knew what hedge funds are doing. For instance, how much of last year's 10 year note issuance was bought by offshore hedge funds?
Posted by:
bailey |
January 26, 2006 at 11:30 AM
Think it is interesting to note that yields on 10 year bund futures are rising too. (short term trading asof last few days)
Ironically, when the Fed is done, the futures will break (finally) I would be long S+P, and short the treasuries.
Posted by:
jeff |
January 27, 2006 at 04:51 PM
Maybe I'm crazy but the law of supply and demand leads me to put my bet on the next conundrum - a recession accompanied by rising or stubbornly high long term rates. Here's the scenario - consumer burnout leads to recession which includes a decrease in demand for imports. Recession leads to an increase in the budget deficit and an increase in Treasury issuance. Decreasing demand for imports leads to a reduction in the dollars flowing into central banks that are recycled into Treasuries. Rinse and repeat. Increased supply, reduced demand = lower prices = higher rates.
Posted by:
mark |
January 28, 2006 at 09:52 AM
Not that anyone should care but I'm 100% in Ford Interest Advantage notes (checking & wiring priv. (get your funds back in about 2 hours), adjusts weekly & oh yeah, it's yielding 5 1/4 & outperformed the s&p500 last year. Folks, thanks to the last 5 years fiscal mismanagement of our past, our present & our current President we're facing some $80 TRILLION liabilities. Our entile GDP is less than $12 Trillion, & I'd guess our federal budget is some $2.3 Trillion. What are we thinking, people? Have you read Max Sawicky's synopsis of our recent growth? "The upshot is that the triumph of Republican-conservatarian economic policy consists of an expansion of government jobs financed by loans from the Communist People's Republic of China."
Remember the old sage advice, it's okay to be right & it's okay to be wrong, just don't be stupid.
Posted by:
bailey |
January 28, 2006 at 11:27 AM
David,
Feb 7, 8 and 9 will tell the tale, especially the new 30 year auction. If fact this quarter the U.S. government expects to borrow a record net $188 billion.
http://naybob.blogspot.com/2006/01/fed-core-pce-income-and-bonds.html
Posted by:
The Nattering Naybob |
January 31, 2006 at 12:15 AM






Maybe we need to ask the question, what does a 2.5% growth forecast mean?
Is it a forecast of sub-par growth?
Or is a forecast that given weak productivity and sluggish labor force growth that this is the best the economy can do?
I'm not sure, but lean towards the later case. If so it implies that the system will not have sufficient excess capacity to prevent wages, unit labor cost and inflation from accelerating. If so it implies that the fed will not ease and that we are just seeing a pause before fed funds start climbing again.
Do others disagree that 2.5% probably is the best the economy can do right now?