June 01, 2011
Should we even read the monthly inflation report? Maybe not. Then again...
In a recent issue of Economic Synopsis, our colleague Dan Thornton of the St. Louis Fed questions the usefulness of the traditional core inflation statistics—the consumer price index (CPI), or the personal consumption expenditure price index that strips out food and energy costs. Specifically, Dan asks whether the core inflation statistic is a better predictor of future inflation over the medium term (say, the next two or three years), than the headline inflation statistic. His conclusion is that:
"[F]or the most recent period, there is no compelling evidence that core inflation is a better predictor of future headline inflation over the medium term."
But Dan also invites the following:
"[I]n the interest of greater transparency and to allow the public to better understand its focus on core measures, the FOMC [Federal Open Market Committee] should provide evidence of the superior forecasting performance of the core measure it uses."
Well, of course neither writer of this blog post is on the FOMC, and equally obvious is the fact that we don't speak for anyone who is. Moreover, we're not very big fans of the traditional core measures, and we much prefer trimmed-mean estimators of inflation when thinking about recent price behavior.
Nevertheless, we'd like to attempt an answer to Dan's call, even if it wasn't aimed at us.
Here's the experiment run by Dan: He used the past 36-month trend in the traditional core inflation measure and the ordinary headline inflation measure and tested which one most accurately predicted the next 36 months of headline inflation. He found that they're about the same. A similar look at 24-month trends yielded a similar result.
The upshot of these experiments can be seen in the figure below (which is a figure of our construction, not his).
The chart shows how accurately we can predict headline CPI inflation over the next three years using only headline CPI price data or, alternatively, using only core CPI price data. The essence of the conclusion reached in the Economic Synopsis is summarized within the shaded box. The forecast accuracy of the two- and three-year trends of the core CPI price measure doesn't seem to be a significant improvement to the plain-vanilla headline CPI.
But we wonder whether the contribution of the core inflation statistic is being accurately reflected in this experiment. For us, the power of a core inflation measure—whether it be the traditional ex-food and energy measure, or some more statistical construct like the trimmed-mean estimators—can't be seen by comparing data trends of this sort. The volatility of an inflation statistic, what we would characterize as "noise," dissipates rather quickly, generally within a few months (although for food and energy, it could play out over a longer period of time, we understand).
At issue is how much the most recent month's or quarter's inflation data should inform one's thinking about the future path of inflation. Implicit in the experiments reported above is that they shouldn't—well, only as much as the most recent monthly or quarterly data influence the trend of the past two or three years.
It may be that the most recent monthly or even quarterly data are so noisy that they have nothing useful to contribute to our perception of the future inflation trend. But then again, an experiment that assumes there is no useful information in the most recent inflation data does not necessarily make it so.
We'd like to call your attention to the remainder of the figure above, where we ask the question, what happens if you try to predict headline CPI inflation over the next three years using only the most recent price data? For example, what if we restrict ourselves to looking only at the most recent month's CPI report? What we see is that the core inflation statistic provides a much improved prediction of the future inflation trend compared to the headline measure. Specifically, forecast accuracy is improved by nearly 50 percent if you use the core inflation measure. (For you wonks, the root mean square error, or RMSE, of the core CPI prediction is about 1.4 percent, compared with a RMSE of 2.7 percent for headline CPI inflation.)
Now consider the behavior of CPI prices over the past three months. How informative of the future inflation trend are these prices? Well, the accuracy of the headline inflation statistic improves relative to the one-month percent change because averaging the data over time in this way necessarily reduces the transitory fluctuations in the data. But again, the three-month core CPI price statistic provides a much better prediction of future headline inflation than does the three-month trend in the ordinary CPI statistic. In other words, if you're wondering what the past-three months of data tell you about developing inflation pressure, you're much better off considering the core statistic than you are the headline number.
Here's another observation we'd like to make: The most recent three-month trend in the core CPI inflation measure appears to be a more accurate predictor of future inflation than the 12-month headline CPI trend. Moreover, the three-month trend in the core measure is roughly as accurate as its longer-term trends. This observation suggests that paying attention to the core measure may allow you to spot changes in the inflation trend much more quickly than using headline alone.
Again, to be clear, we aren't endorsing the core inflation statistic. We're fans of trimmed-mean estimators and think they do an even better job of informing thinking about what the most recent price data tell us about the likely future path of inflation. (As evidence, we included in the chart above the same forecasting results for the median CPI.) We only want to make one simple point—the usefulness of a core inflation measure is best seen in the monthly and quarterly intervals that span FOMC meetings, not in the two- or three-year trends which are, by construction, largely silent about the most recent data.
By Mike Bryan, a vice president in research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, and Brent Meyer, a senior economic analyst at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland
June 1, 2011 in Forecasts, Inflation | Permalink
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Posted by:
Nick Rowe |
June 02, 2011 at 07:31 AM
May 13, 2011
Just how out of line are house prices?
In Wednesday's post, I referenced commentary from several bloggers regarding the sizeable decline in housing prices reported by Zillow earlier this week. As I discussed yesterday, the rat-through-the-snake process of working down existing and prospective distressed properties is likely far from over, and how that process plays out will no doubt have an impact on how much prices will ultimately adjust.
Recently, Barry Ritholtz's The Big Picture blog featured an update of a New York Times chart that suggests there will be a significant adjustment going forward:
Prior to the crisis, I was persistently advised that the better way to think about the "right" home price is to focus on price-rent ratios, because rents reflect the fundamental flow of implicit or explicit income generated by a housing asset. In retrospect that advice looks pretty good, so I am inclined to think in those terms today. A simple back-of-the envelope calculation for this ratio—essentially comparing the path of the S&P/Case-Shiller composite price index for 20 metropolitan regions to the time path of the rent of primary residences in the consumer price index—tells a somewhat different story than the New York Times chart used in the aforementioned Ritholtz blog post:
According to this calculation, current prices have nearly returned to levels relative to rents that prevailed in the decade prior to the housing boom that began in the late 1990s.
Of course, the price-rent ratio is not the most sophisticated of calculations. David Leonhardt shows the results from other such calculations that suggest prices relative to rents are still elevated, at least relative to the average that prevailed in the 1990s. But the adjustment that would be required to bring current levels back into line with the precrisis average is still much lower than suggested by the Ritholtz graph.
How much farther prices fall is, I think, critical in the determination of how the economy will fare in the immediate future. Again, from President Lockhart:
"The housing sector also has indirect impacts on the economy. In particular, the direction of home prices is important for the economy because changes in home prices affect the health of both household and bank balance sheets. …
"The indirect influence of the housing sector on consumer activity and bank lending would almost certainly aggravate housing's impact on growth."
Here's hoping my chart is more predictive of housing prices than the alternative.
Update: The Calculated Risk blog does a thorough job and concludes that we don't have "to choose between real prices and price-to-rent graphs to ask 'how far out of line are house prices?' I think they are both showing that prices are not far above the historical lows."
Update: The Big Picture's Barry Ritholtz points me to his earlier argument against reliance on price-rent ratios.
By Dave Altig
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May 13, 2011 in Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts, Housing, Real Estate | Permalink
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I am trying to sell a house myself right now, and was shocked at the crash in housing values we see in our area (midwest). I'm seeing projections of 25% - 33% loss of value since 2006.
Unfortunately, I think prices have a ways to go before bottoming out. In my area, there are 18 months of housing stock on the market right now. We're competing with cheap foreclosures and short sales (both are at historic highs right now, I believe). In 2004, it took about 30 days to sell a house. Now it takes about 250 days. Try selling when you need to move immediately for a job opportunity.
Linking housing prices to rents might work in the "normal" environment. But we're so far outside of normal now that I think you're over-optimistic in your projections.
What historical period has had such a number of underwater mortgages? And isn't that all thanks to the models that assumed housing prices never diminished?
Economic models need to be revised to reflect current reality. Using a model that "is not the most sophisticated of calculations" won't get us out of this catastrophe. But it's certainly nice wishful thinking....
Posted by:
Main Street Muse |
May 13, 2011 at 11:52 AM
As long as we live in a world where interest rates never deviate from the current level, then "prices are in line with rent" If, however, for any reason interest rates may move towards long term trend lines...then it would be prudent to look at prices as a derivative of interest rates...in which case they are probably still far higher than a "normal" market could bare.
Posted by:
Jay |
May 13, 2011 at 12:59 PM
My neck of the woods, Sonoma, Calif property provides an indication of what direction other markets might experience when if ever foreclosure/distressed homes become a small percentage of the market. My upscale 55+ area has a good number of homes for sale and few are selling, prices continue to decline slowly but on a steady pace. Economist and others expect prices to hold or go up once the foreclosure process has run its course but the reality is that home prices are way out of line with income including price rent ratios. When using a price rent ratio use 100 times monthly rent as a baseline to get a good idea what local home prices should be. In my area most of these homes rent for about $1600 a month and owners try and sell between 350K and 500K, so based on the rent market these homes need to sell in the 160K range which is a long way from there bubble high of 650K or even current market prices which reflects a slow market. Maybe when and if these properties get down to reasonable price rent ratios they will sell.
Posted by:
Ron Caldwell |
May 13, 2011 at 04:30 PM
House price to rent is analogous to stock P/E ratio, and we know this can spend long periods of time well distant from its average value. So how much overshoot might we expect?
Posted by:
dunkelblau |
May 13, 2011 at 07:10 PM
"Here's hoping my chart is more predictive of housing prices than the alternative."
Isn't there something odd about senior employees of the Federal Reserve, the institution charged with primary responsibility for preserving the purchasing power of our currency, cheering (asset price) inflation?
Posted by:
PatR |
May 13, 2011 at 07:52 PM
Over and over again analysts use price/rent as if RENT was some kind of cosmic truth telling measure of value. Rents are quite volatile. Every bit as volatile as housing prices (if not more so). They very tremendously even within a small geographic area. The types and quality of rental housing also varies depending on when properties were built.
RIGHT NOW RENTS ARE WAY UP (in many areas) and vacancies are down. This is out of line with historical employment vs rent trends. These high rents obviously distort the price/rent ratio and there is no reason whatsoever to imagine that rent levels provide more truth of value than the housing prices themselves.
Posted by:
Max Rockbin |
May 13, 2011 at 11:30 PM
I think the above comments are a better indicator of what is really happening in today's real estate market than are models based upon historical data that is not likely to be repeated anytime soon.
I use proprietary software from foreclosureradar.com (I have no financial interest in the site) and the volume of REO inventory, both current and in the pipeline is staggering in California. As short sales and REO re-sales re-set the comparable prices, sellers are being forced to accept lower and lower prices because their homes otherwise won't appraise at the contracted sales price.
Based upon this data, prices are now back to 2000 and the "deals" can be had for 1996 prices. I suspect we have a few more years, and perhaps another recession, before it will be time again to buy.
Posted by:
Jeff Goodrich |
May 14, 2011 at 11:42 AM
The interesting thing about price to rent measures is how different they are geographically. The areas that are clearly in a housing oversupply situation are incredibly cheap to buy vs rent (think of renting as buying plus buying a put on the house struck at the market) whereas other areas that are in "relative" equilibrium are not at all cheap on a buy vs rent measure. As an example take a look on zillow at the price of a three bedroom house in Dearborn Mi. How this all sorts itself out will be an interesting experiment. In the absence of easy (IE: high LTV-No doc) lending, the most reasonable hypothesis is much lower prices.
Posted by:
Steve Fulton |
May 14, 2011 at 12:03 PM
In parts of metro-Denver, rents are above my value to rent formula: value/income = 1 percent. I have used this formula for over 40 years so I haven't purchased but only a few Denver properties in the last 20 years. Now I am purchasing properties again but one has to be keenly aware of declining value neighborhoods and rising expenses but property taxes are declining.
Posted by:
ron glandt |
May 14, 2011 at 12:37 PM
@Main Street Muse. The price to rent ratio is just that, a ratio independent of interest rates at the time. I believe your suggestion is more in line of a housing affordability index, which takes into consideration the interest rate and therefore monthly payment at the time. Using that measure of affordability, buying a house is actually more affordable now than in the past because of current low rates. In other words, we are back to long term trend in price to rent ratio, but still below long term trend in interest rates, which indicates we have some padding to absorb an increase to historical 7%.
Another thought about the "bottom." Distressed properties pulling prices down significantly. Agreed. But, doesn't the price of new construction ultimately determine the long term "price point" of the market with "used" homes selling on average 15-20% below new construction for the same quality and square footage? Assuming a continued expansion in the population, the recycling of current inventory, or washing out of the shadow inventory will only last so long before new houses must be built. New construction has an absolute cost in terms of labor and commodities. Would be interesting to see a trend line of the cost of new construction per square foot over time.
Posted by:
Virginia |
May 14, 2011 at 04:15 PM
Property prices in desirable parts of California probably will never stabilize at 100 months rent because of combination of premiums buyers are willing to pay and the distortions caused by prop 13. However, long-term prices have tracked around 4x income and hit around 10x during the bubble. So that might predict a $650K bubble house going for about $250k
Posted by:
doug liser |
May 15, 2011 at 10:42 AM
Erik Hurst from the University of Chicago uses a different methodology than Case-Schiller. He says CS overstates moves.
Based on his predictions of a couple of years ago, we only have around 10% left on a macro basis. Individual markets might be different.
Posted by:
Jeff Carter |
May 15, 2011 at 11:19 AM
ACCOUNT FOR DEMOGRAPHICS THO AND A BULL DOZER FOR AS MANY AS 50 PERCENT OF THE HOUSES IS NOT A UNREALITY UNLESS THE NEO CULTURALISM OF IMMIGRATION IS ADDED
Posted by:
MILE |
May 16, 2011 at 12:27 AM
I am rather puzzled as to what the rent valuations are based on. AFIK there is no mechanism that requires landlords to report to any centralized statistical agency what rents their tenants are actually paying, along with information that would permit comparison to actual sale prices for comparable homes. Here in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, at bubble peak there were hardly any single-family homes for rent, and none comparable to mid- to high-end properties. Homes that in the past might have been rentals had been bought up by flippers and were being rehabbed -- or torn down to be replaced with million-dollar McMansions.
Now, there is a glut of homes for rent, but nearly all at prices that reflect not what the market will pay, but rather what the homeowner needs to pay their mortgage and taxes. As the owners are not business-people and are in a state of denial, they refuse to lower the asking rent, preferring zero income to any income less than mortgage plus taxes. So one finds the same homes on the MLS rental pages six months, nine months, or even more. Recently, one sees an occasional reduction in asking rent --- but not enough to move the property. I suspect that many of the homes that have disappeared from the MLS rental listings have disappeared not because they were rented, but because they were finally foreclosed upon. But if they were rented, I suspect it was at a monthly rate well below the asking rent.
So if the rents used for the price-to-rent ratio calculation are the MLS asking rents, they are probably significantly overstated.
Moreover, since the market is obviously not clearing at the rents being currently being asked, actual rents will have to end up significantly lower than the rents currently being paid for the homes that do rent, if the additional homes (which are effectively a "shadow inventory") are ever going to actually be rented.
Posted by:
jm |
May 16, 2011 at 03:24 AM
Zillow is half the problem. They estimate my house on the basis of never seeing it, nor ever seeing the improvements I've made. They have a statistical model they follow, but I own a ranch house on a full ace, and in my area there are probably 1 or 2 similar houses for sale, so there is no statistically valid sample to put into their model.
The other half is the estimators that do the same thing. They don't look at a house, they don't have a valid statistical sample, so there numbers are irrelevant.
The value of a house is what a buyer and seller say it is. The only other basis to use is build or rebuild cost. So, let's be honest, the system is the problem.
If you really want to solve he problem, reenact Glass Steagall, thereby forcing the banks to lend money in order to make a profit instead of gambling on derivatives. They don't lend, they die. As Ben Johnson said, "The prospect of hanging has a way of concentrating the mind."
Posted by:
Don Hiorth |
May 16, 2011 at 08:30 AM
@Virginia - "Using that measure of affordability, buying a house is actually more affordable now than in the past because of current low rates."
If you are a first time buyer, this could be an okay time to buy - but prices are still significantly higher than in the late 1990s, and it seems that they will continue to decline through the next 12 - 18 months. And employment uncertainties/wage stagnation could make buying a bit tricky today.
If you are NOT a first time buyer, but a homeowner looking to sell, the price to rent ratio is irrelevant. The market value of your home has tanked significantly in the last few years. That's a serious decline in the net worth of a middle-class home owner.
Posted by:
Main Street Muse |
May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM
But when bubbles burst don't prices normally overshoot to the downside? If house prices are "average" now, wouldn't this suggest that they still have a lot further to fall?
Posted by:
John Smith |
May 17, 2011 at 07:17 AM
The price/rent ratio probably should not compare the price to rent of equivalent houses. I am a renter now, but if I ever do decide to buy a house, I would buy a house much larger than the one I am renting now.
Posted by:
skr |
May 31, 2011 at 05:15 PM
May 11, 2011
Is housing hurting the recovery?
Though the week is only half over, I'm going to nominate Stan Humphries and Zillow as bearers of the week's most distressing economic news:
"Home values fell three percent in the first quarter of this year, marking a pace of decline not seen since 2008 when the housing recession was at its worst. Home values fell one percent between February and March and 8.2 percent from March 2010."
Calculated Risk provides a handy table of how prices have affected equity values in homes by locale, as the Zillow Real Estate Research blog predicts the price-decline end is not so near:
"Previously, we anticipated a bottom in home values by the end of 2011. But with values falling by about 1 percent per month so far, it's unlikely that will happen. We now believe a bottom will come in 2012, at the earliest."
At The Curious Capitalist, on the other hand, Stephen Gandel says he's not so sure:
"To be sure, housing prices have fallen this year. But the Zillow numbers out today make the housing market look worse than it is. The problem is with how Zillow tracks home prices. Unlike other measures of the housing market, Zillow's numbers are not based on actual sales, but on estimates of what its model thinks your house, along with every other house in America is worth. Zillow's model is similar to how an appraiser figures out what your house is worth. It looks at past sales of houses that are similar to yours and then guesses what your house is worth. But by the time those sales are fed into Zillow's system they are months old. … If the housing market is turning, Zillow is going to miss it."
Is the housing market turning, particularly with respect to prices? Tough to say. If you want your glass half full, these words from the New York Fed's Liberty Street Economics might be the tonic for your tastes:
"This post gives our summary of the 2011:Q1 Quarterly Report on Household Debt and Credit, released today by the New York Fed. The report shows signs of healing in household balance sheets in the United States and the region, as measured by consumer debt levels, delinquency rates, foreclosure starts, and bankruptcies…
"Delinquency rates are generally down…
"New foreclosures fell nationally and in the region. About 368,000 individuals in the United States had a foreclosure notation added to their credit report between December 31 and March 31, a 17.7 percent decrease from the 2010:Q4 level. New foreclosure rates fell from 0.19 percent to 0.15 percent for all individuals nationwide…"
What may be the most important aspect of the report is highlighted by the Financial Times's Robin Harding: "…fewer new mortgages going bad, and some bad mortgages getting better." In fact, for the first time since the crisis began, the percentage of mortgages transitioning from 30 to 90 days delinquent to current exceeds the percentage transitioning to seriously delinquent (90-plus days).
There is, of course, plenty of material for the housing-price bears. For example, the flow of seriously delinquent mortgages is quite elevated.
According to estimates from CoreLogic, the supply of "distressed" homes is greater than 15 months at the current pace of sales:
Kevin Drum thinks this all adds up to problems for the recovery (hat tip Free Exchange):
"Most analysts now expect that the housing market won't bottom out until sometime next year. Until that happens, it's unlikely that that the sluggish economic recovery we're seeing right now will improve much."
The view here at the Atlanta Fed—and the answer to the question posed in the title of this post—was provided earlier today by our president, Dennis Lockhart, in a speech given to the Atlanta Council for Quality Growth:
"…can we have high-quality growth while the residential real estate and commercial real estate sectors continue to be so weak? Not completely, in my opinion. The recovery will progress, but it will not be robust until we work through the economy's serious imbalances, including those in the real estate sector.
"As I look ahead, I think the most reasonable assumption is that improvement of the real estate sector will lag an otherwise improving economy. But I am encouraged by the fact that the economy is increasingly on firmer footing."
I will let you decide whether that glass is half-empty or half-full.
By Dave Altig
senior vice president and research director at the Atlanta Fed
May 11, 2011 in Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts, Housing, Real Estate | Permalink
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the accelerating decline in housing prices is really old news, and its not just zillow that's been reporting it; corelogic reported a 1.5% decline in March, which put their index 4.6% below the 2009 lows; the NAR index has fallen 7% YTD, and is also 4.6% below last years reading; and just last week, clear capital declared an official double dip, after their index fell 4.9% from the previous quarter and 5.0% YoY...
Posted by:
rjs |
May 12, 2011 at 05:49 AM
I'm voting for half empty. And I think it will take more than just a year before housing recovers to the point it will have a significant positive impact on the economy. So I’m projecting a slow choppy recovery for the U.S. economy.
Posted by:
Phil Aust |
May 16, 2011 at 11:44 AM
US government has stimulate the economy with 4.5 trillions of dollars or so and its only stimulated the economy half cos it bail out the big co. only . The main contributor of US economy , consumers are left in debt . They need to be bailed out so that economy will be balanced.
Posted by:
Win |
May 24, 2011 at 12:29 AM
I'm going to have to agree with the half empty comment. I think it is true that we are a long ways away from the economy going up. Not only is housing suffering, but business owners as well. Hopefully change will come soon.
Posted by:
Stephanie |
June 01, 2011 at 03:07 PM
Another hand for half empty. It's really hard to recover from economic downfall. I don't think housing is the mainstream of this. Rapid growth of population and cost cutting also affect the chance of regaining it back.
Posted by:
makati for rent |
August 03, 2011 at 08:38 PM
Im agree with the half empty comment and also the rapid growth of population and cost cutting affect of our economy downfall.
Posted by:
cavite housing |
August 22, 2011 at 12:15 AM
Housing has definitely hurt our economy, people are unable to pay rents and loans of there houses
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iphone 6 |
February 12, 2012 at 12:49 PM
January 04, 2011
Looking back, looking forward
Kicking off the new year, the latest edition of the Atlanta Fed's EconSouth magazinecontains our annual review of the year past and our bravest guess about the one to come (articles in this issue include outlooks for the national, international and Southeast economies and features on small business and other topics). If we are looking for enduring lessons about the national economy from the previous year, I nominate the time-tested but oft-ignored advice to be wary of reading too much into short-term economic ups and downs:
"Better-than-expected increases in several economic indicators in the spring led many economists to revise up their growth estimates. A quick snap-back in the economy, as has been typical in most other deep recessions in the post–World War II era, seemed a distinct possibility.
"However, such a snap-back was not to be. It is now clear that some of the rebound in growth stemmed from a rebuilding of depleted inventories in the first quarter and the waning influence of various government spending programs. By summer, the incoming economic data had weakened considerably, and the pace of expansion in the major expenditure categories raised the specter of a step backward into contraction…
"Bumpy growth for an economy transitioning out of a recession is not unusual. For example, GDP [gross domestic product] jumped by 3.5 percent in the quarter immediately following the end of the 2001 recession, but it then slowed to just 0.1 percent three quarters later. To date, that pattern of growth proceeding in fits and starts has certainly been representative of this recovery."
In fact, it now appears that the U.S. economy grew in 2010 by somewhere in the range of 2.5 percent to 3 percent, just where the Blue Chip consensus was at the beginning of the year (and, incidentally, somewhat better than what we at the Atlanta Fed were expecting). Still…
"Despite these improvements, economic performance has been somewhat disappointing. The recovery has not been strong enough to meaningfully reduce the unemployment rate. Throughout the year, the unemployment rate has remained well above 9 percent. Income growth (excluding transfer payments made by the government) has been weak—up less than 1 percent for the year on an inflation-adjusted basis. The housing market is struggling in the face of continuing foreclosures despite a variety of tax incentives and historically low mortgage rates, and the commercial real estate sector likewise has not recovered. This theme of improvement in some areas and ongoing weakness in others illustrates the unevenness of the recovery and more uncertainty than normal about future economic prospects."
Will 2011 be a different story? Quantitatively, probably yes—growth should take another step up this year. But the story, we think, remains essentially the same:
"The incoming data as well as reports from the Atlanta Fed's business contacts are broadly consistent with a relatively restrained growth trajectory. There are, in fact, several factors that will plausibly inhibit the pace of the expansion. Weakness in residential and commercial real estate is ongoing. Business and consumer attitudes are still extremely cautious, and slow spending growth by businesses and households is continuing to hold back inflation. Over the near term, additional business spending appears likely to be geared primarily toward activities such as targeted mergers and acquisition and further increases in efficiency rather than toward pure expansion. Slow and uneven sales, opportunities to reduce costs through increased productivity, structural adjustments in labor markets, and uncertainty over government policy—including changes in labor and environmental rules, tax policy, and financial regulations—are restraining job creation. Slow job growth, naturally, implies that unemployment could remain elevated for some time."
But…
"Of course, risks lurk on both the upside and downside for the outlook, but there are reasons for optimism. Financial firms and households have made significant headway in repairing their severely compromised balance sheets, and most are in a much better financial position than they were a year-ago. Businesses in particular have substantially more liquidity and significant capacity to deploy capital to new projects. Some of the uncertainties that have vexed private decision makers, such as the course of near-term tax policy, may finally be abating…
"Recent surprises in the economic indicators have been predominantly to the upside, which is a very good sign. If such positive surprises persist, and confidence in the economic environment grows, it could be that current estimates for only slight improvement in 2011 have been too modest."
Here's hoping.
Note: For more perspective on the 2010 economic outlook and monetary policy, stay tuned for Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart's speech to the Rotary Club of Atlanta, scheduled for Monday, January 10. The text will be posted on the Bank's website.
By Dave Altig
Senior vice president and research director at the Atlanta Fed
January 4, 2011 in Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts | Permalink
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I used to think Ron Paul was crazy. But I no longer believe anything that comes from the FED. The FED doesn't follow the "Blue Book's" governmental accounting, auditing, and financial reporting standards, & would obviously not pass any normal corporate audit of its books. The on-line Federal Reserve Bulletin now has effectively eliminated the "paper trail".
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flow5 |
January 09, 2011 at 04:27 PM
Good work with the FRBA forecasts in 2010. Very close to the mark in the short term. Hope you are on the mark for inflation over the medium and long term.
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Williamrsmith |
January 10, 2011 at 07:04 PM
October 07, 2010
Using TIPS to gauge deflation expectations
In the recent Survey of Professional Forecasters, economists were asked to give their subjective probability of deflation during the next year. Specifically, they were asked about the chances that the quarterly consumer price index excluding food and energy (core CPI) will decline in 2011. According to the respondents, the probability of core CPI deflation in 2011 was only 2 percent.
This rather sanguine view of the probability of deflation is encouraging. But is it a view shared by noneconomists? While there are many sources used to measure inflation expectations, there aren't many that gauge inflation uncertainty or the risk of deflation. However, one might estimate a probability of deflation as seen by investors by exploiting the different deflation safeguards of a pair of Treasury Inflation Protected Securities (TIPS), which have about the same maturity date but different issue dates.
Here's the idea: A TIPS cannot pay less than its face value at maturity, so the principal repayment of a five-year TIPS issued today is not reduced if the five-year rate of inflation is negative over the life of the security. But a 10-year TIPS issued five years ago will have its capital gain from accrued inflation reduced if there is a net decline in the CPI over the next five years. As a result, part of the real yield spread between the 10-year and five-year TIPS issues should reflect the value of the better deflation safeguard of the latter security.
In a comment on a paper by Campbell, Shiller, and Viceira, Jonathan Wright derives a very simple formula for calculating a lower bound on the probability of deflation using this real yield spread. (The lower-bound formula is rm/ln(CPI5yr/CPI10yr), where r is the yield spread between the 10-year and five-year TIPS real yields, m is the number of years until the midpoint of the maturity dates of the two TIPS, and CPI5yr/CPI10yr are the levels of the NSA CPI on the issue dates of the five-year and 10-year year TIPS. These reference CPIs are available here. Deflation is defined as the level of the CPI being lower than its value on the issue date of the five-year TIPS.) Wright's calculation makes a number of simplifying assumptions, some of which are counterfactual, but it is easy to compute—almost literally a back-of-the-envelope calculation if you have two real TIPS yields in hand. The formula also has the advantage that it does not require any assumptions about the probability distribution of inflation.
To get exact probabilities of deflation instead of a lower bound, I developed a simple model for TIPS pricing. The model is an extension of the TIPS pricing model developed by Brian Sack. One has to make a lot of assumptions to derive these estimates—which you can read about in the appendix to this post (link provided in last paragraph)—but let's get to the main results. The figure below plots the probability that the level of the reference CPI on April 15, 2015, is lower than its April 15, 2010, level. (The reference CPI is the nonseasonally adjusted consumer price index interpolated to a daily frequency; it is calculated by taking a weighted average of the CPI two months ago and three months ago.) If the April 2015 reference CPI ended up below this threshold, then the deflation safeguard for the five-year TIPS would kick in. Also included in the graph is the lower bound of this "deflation probability" calculated using Wright's formula.
An alternative way of generating deflation probabilities is to exploit the estimated "confidence interval" from a forecasting model of inflation. When I use a variant of the inflation model proposed by Stock and Watson (for those interested in more detail, the model I am using is the Stock-Watson unobserved components with stochastic volatility, or UC-SV model), it says there is about a 10 percent chance that average CPI inflation over the next five years will be below zero.
Is this the last word on estimating deflation probability? Of course not; there are more than a few pitfalls in this method of calculating a deflation probability, some of which are described in the aforementioned technical appendix posted on the Atlanta Fed's Inflation Project. But this approach does have the advantage of exploiting information from market prices on traded securities. As such, it may prove a valuable addition to our toolkit of indicators. Consequently, we intend to update these estimates and post them on the Inflation Project web page every Thursday afternoon.
By Patrick Higgins, an economist in the Atlanta Fed's research department
October 7, 2010 in Forecasts | Permalink
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Even though point is pretty neat, personally I wouldn't rely on this too much. Liquidity of 5year TIPS markets would be higher now relative to the pre-crisis levels exactly for those same reasons you want to use it gauge deflationary expectations: it's a better hedge against significant medium-term inflation uncertainty.
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Dan |
October 08, 2010 at 01:39 AM
I don't know who is included in the survey of economists, but I would put the probability that we will have deflation in 2011 at substantially above 2%.
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don |
October 12, 2010 at 10:30 PM
I wonder if there's some reason that you don't simply calculate the value of the embedded floors in TIPS, and then use the delta of that option? It's not easy, as you can't use black-scholes and you have to first strip out seasonalities and such...but it's actually a market price rather than a strange economist view of a market price.
For that matter, why not just compute the delta of 0% ZC floors, which are quoted and trade in the market?
Interesting shorthand approaches, but it seems to me that if economists really wanted the market's view on this, they ought to calculate an actual number.
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Michael Ashton |
August 24, 2012 at 08:23 AM
August 03, 2010
What makes forecasting tough
Bloomberg's Caroline Baum recounts her recent conversation with the Atlanta Fed's own Mike Bryan under the headline For Good Economic Forecasts, Try Flipping a Coin:
"How do economists fare when it comes to real forecasting, to predicting [gross domestic product] GDP growth and inflation one year out? About as good as a coin toss, according to Bryan's research. Less than half the economists did better than the naive forecast, which is based on no understanding of the economy and merely assumes next year's outcome will be the same as this year's. It's what you'd expect if the results were purely random."
A case in point could be found yesterday on Bloomberg, which featured a "chart of the day" that looked something like the one below (though I've updated the data for manufacturing inventories, given today's factory orders report):
The chart was accompanied by this commentary:
"U.S. business inventories are so low relative to demand that any increase may act as a catalyst for larger companies to add workers, according to Nicholas Colas, chief market strategist at BNY ConvergEx Group."
A few days back, in The Wall Street Journal, you could find this:
"Until recently, businesses had helped supercharge economic growth by restocking inventories. Now the oomph from inventories is waning.
"In the second quarter, the change in private inventories added slightly more than one percentage point to the 2.4% increase in gross domestic product from the first quarter, measured at a seasonally adjusted annual rate, the Commerce Department said Friday.
"That is a big change from the first quarter, when inventory-building contributed 2.6 percentage points to GDP growth of 3.7%, and the fourth quarter of last year, when it contributed 2.8 percentage points to GDP growth of 5%....
"But Friday's report suggests companies are nearly done restocking their shelves.
" 'Our sense is current inventories are about where they need to be globally, both in industrial distribution and with the large North American retailers,' John Lundgren, chief executive of Stanley Black & Decker Inc., said in a July 21 call with analysts discussing the tool and hardware maker's second-quarter results."
But, on the same topic, Seeking Alpha opined:
"Inventory increases added 1.05% to second quarter GDP. Based on the annual revision, they added 2.64% to first quarter GDP or 71% of the total increase. Inventories were also responsible for approximately two-thirds of the GDP increase in the fourth quarter of 2009. The entire economic 'recovery' has essentially been an inventory adjustment [emphasis theirs]. This does not bode well for the future."
So one analysis suggests that the latest readings on inventories portend a boost to GDP, one foresees a drag on GDP, and yet another divines that inventories are basically played out as an economic story for the balance of the year.
Again from the Baum piece:
"Bryan said it's not just about getting the number right. 'It's about the narrative.' "
Indeed.
For comparison, it's also useful to take a longer look at what effect inventories have on GDP growth coming out of a recession; see the graph below. It charts the percentage point contributions of various components to real GDP growth in the first four quarters following the end of a recession (the current recession is assumed to have ended in second quarter of 2009). I've shown on the graph the percentage contribution of inventories to the last seven recoveries, beginning with the one in 1971.
Regarding the point made in Seeking Alpha, inventories have contributed around 70 percent to the economic recovery recently, but in the recovery that began in 2002 inventories contributed 75 percent in the first four quarters. So the last two recovery periods stand out for large inventory components. But looking across the data, it's hard to say what an ordinary inventory contribution would be. Regardless of whether inventories are an unusually large part of this recovery, in absolute levels the scale of the recent inventory cycle—the initial liquidation and the subsequent restocking—has been unprecedented.
By Andrew Flowers, senior economic research analyst in the Atlanta Fed's research department
August 3, 2010 in Business Cycles, Forecasts | Permalink
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I remember around December 2007, when economists gave something like a 20% chance of recession, there was a Bloomberg poll that showed the public felt we were already in one.
Interestingly, most people would say the recession has never ended, though economists confidently point to the turn to positive GDP one year ago. What if there is another downturn already starting, and the NBER committee decides it is really one large event?
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Bob_in_MA |
August 03, 2010 at 05:14 PM
Regardless of whether inventories are an unusually large part of this recovery, in absolute levels the scale of the recent inventory cycle—the initial liquidation and the subsequent restocking—has been unprecedented.
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GHD Straighteners |
August 04, 2010 at 02:39 AM
I remember around December 2007, when economists gave something like a 20% chance of recession, there was a Bloomberg poll that showed the public felt we were already in one.
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links of london |
August 04, 2010 at 02:40 AM
If we can't forecast, surely this makes the case for analysis of effective design of automatic stabilisers into an interesting question?
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rjw |
August 04, 2010 at 02:55 PM
My predcition for AAA corporate bond yields in 1981 was 15.48%. AAA corporate yields hit 15.49%. I was off by .01%.
It is a scientific fact that economic forecasts are mathematically infallible. All you need is the G.6 debit and deposit turnover release.
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flow5 |
August 05, 2010 at 12:56 AM
The transactions concept of money velocity (Vt) has its roots in Irving Fischer’s equation of exchange (PT = MV), where (1) M equals the volume of means-of-payment money; (2) V, the transactions rate of turnover of this money; (3) T, the volume of transactions units; and (4) P, the average price of all transactions units.
The “econometric” people don’t like the equation because it is impossible to calculate P and T. Presumably therefore the equation lacks validity. Actually the equation is a truism – to sell 100 bushels of wheat (T) at $4 a bushel (P) requires the exchange of $400 (M) once (V), or $200 twice, etc.
The real impact of monetary demand on the prices of goods and serves requires the analysis of “monetary flows”, and the only valid velocity figure in calculating monetary flows is Vt. Income velocity (Vi) is a contrived figure (Vi = Nominal GDP/M).
The product of MVI is obviously nominal GDP. So where does that leave us? In an economic sea without a rudder or an anchor. A rise in nominal GDP can be the result of (1) an increased rate of monetary flows (MVt) (which by definition the Keynesians have excluded from their analysis), (2) an increase in real GDP, (3) an increasing number of housewives selling their labor in the marketplace, etc. The income velocity approach obviously provides no tool by which we can dissect and explain the inflation process.
To the Keynesians, aggregate demand is nominal GDP, the demand for services (human) and final goods. This concept excludes the common sense conclusion that the inflation process begins at the beginning (with raw material prices and processing costs at all stages of production) and continues through to the end.
The Fed first calculated deposit turnover in 1919. It reported weekly until 1941 (like M3, the series was also discontinued, in Sept. 1996). The figure “other banks’’ was used until 1996. Prior to this revision Vt included all banks located in 232 SMSA’s excluding N.Y. City. This was the best that could be done to eliminate the influence on prices of purely financial and speculative transactions. Obviously funds used for short selling do not contribute to a rise in prices.
The Fed calculates these velocity figures by dividing the aggregate volume of debits of these banks against their demand deposits.
We do know that to ignore the aggregate effect of money flows on prices is to ignore the inflation process. And to dismiss the concept of Vt by saying it is meaningless (that people can only spend their income once) is to ignore the fact that Vt is a function of three factors: (1) the number of transactions; (2) the prices of goods and services; (3) the volume of M.
Inflation analysis cannot be limited to the volume of wages and salaries spent.
To do so is to overlook the principal "engine" of inflation - which is of course, the volume of credit (new money) created by the Reserve and the commercial banks, plus the expenditure rate (velocity) of these funds. Also overlooked is the effect of the expenditure of the savings of the non-bank public on prices.
The (MVt) figure encompasses the total effect of all these monetary flows (MVt).
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flow5 |
August 05, 2010 at 01:02 AM
Economist still try to conjure up learned interpretations. Now its the yield curve and its associated long term contractions and expansions of business activity, prices, etc.
“Double-Dippers Are All Wet Ignoring Yield Curve” Caroline Baum - Bloomberg – July 12 2010:
“It’s just that the yield curve, or what it represents, is possibly the best leading indicator of the business cycle”
Everyone on the FED's technical staff that thinks the money supply can be managed by using interest rates should lose their job and their pension.
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flow5 |
August 05, 2010 at 11:43 AM
yes forecasting is tought. But that is why we are willing to pay lots of money for them. Trouble is, we (ie everyone) pays lots of money for those which are wrong.
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chris |
August 11, 2010 at 08:27 AM
People are just people. Sometimes they are right in their forecasts, sometimes not. The most important point is to be able to acknowledge mistakes that we make. Perfection comes with practice.
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Monklet |
August 16, 2010 at 08:09 AM
there are two papers one has to mention when discussing inflation forecasts.
The naive approach was first tested by Atkeson and Ohanian.
Stock and Watson published results of a comprehensive quantitative comparison of existing models.
Atkeson, A., Ohanian, L.E., (2001). “Are Phillips curves useful for forecasting inflation?”, Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis Quarterly Review 25, 2-11.
Bureau of Labor Statistics, (2003). “Revisions in the CPS effective January 2003”, http://www.bls.gov/cps/rvcps03.pdf
Stock, J., Watson, M. (2007). Why Has Inflation Become Harder to Forecast? Journal of Money, Credit and Banking, 39(3), 3-33.
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kio |
August 19, 2010 at 02:41 AM
June 30, 2010
Keeping an eye on Europe
In June, a third of the economists in the Blue Chip panel of economic forecasters indicated that they had lowered their growth forecast over the next 18 months as a consequence of Europe's debt crisis. When pushed a little further, 31 percent said that weaker exports would be the channel through which this problem would hinder growth, while 69 percent thought that "tighter financial conditions" would be the channel through which debt problems in Europe could hit U.S. shores.
Tighter financial conditions also were mentioned by the Federal Open Market Committee in its last statement, where the committee noted, "Financial conditions have become less supportive of economic growth on balance, largely reflecting developments abroad."
In his speech today, Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart identified the European sovereign debt crisis as one of the sources of uncertainty for the U.S. economy that he believes "have clouded the outlook." President Lockhart explicitly expressed his concern that Europe's "continuing and possibly escalating financial market pressures will be transmitted through interconnected banking and capital markets to our economy."
Negative effects from the European sovereign debt crisis can be transmitted to the U.S. economy through a number of financial channels, including higher risk premiums on private securities, a considerable rise in uncertainty, and sharply increased risk aversion. Another important channel is the direct exposure of the U.S. banking sector—both through holdings of troubled European assets and counterparty exposure to European banks, which not only have a substantial exposure to the debt-laden European countries but have also been facing higher funding costs. The LIBOR-OIS spread has widened notably (see the chart below), liquidity is now concentrated in tenors of one week and shorter, and the market has become notably tiered.
Banks in the most affected countries (Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Italy) and other European banks perceived as having a sizeable exposure to those countries have to pay higher rates and borrow at shorter tenors. Although for now U.S. banks can raise funds more cheaply than many European financial institutions, some analysts believe that there's a risk that the short-term offshore dollar market may become increasingly strained, leading to funding shortages and, conceivably, forced asset sales.
Bank for International Settlements data through the end of December of last year show that the U.S. banking system's risk exposure to the most vulnerable EU countries appears to be manageable. U.S. banks' on-balance sheet financial claims vis-á-vis those countries, adjusted for guarantees and collateral, look substantial in absolute terms but are rather small relative to the size of U.S. banks' total financial assets (see the chart below). The exposure to Spain is the biggest, closely followed by Ireland and Italy. Overall, the five countries account for less than 2 percent of U.S. banks' assets.
U.S. exposure to developed Europe as a whole, however, is much higher at $1.2 trillion, so U.S. financial institutions may feel some pain if the European economy slows down markedly. How likely is a marked slowdown? It's difficult to determine, of course, but when asked about the largest risks facing the U.S. economy over the next year, the Blue Chip forecasters put "spillover effects of Europe's debt crisis" at the top of their list.
By Galina Alexeenko, economic policy analyst at the Atlanta Fed
June 30, 2010 in Banking, Europe, Forecasts | Permalink
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I honestly think we have reached the end of the road for monetary policy. How cheap can money get? the banks are still in bad shape.
If there is a stimulus to come, it must be from fiscal policy-and not spending.
Tax cuts. Only way to get out of the morass.
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July 05, 2010 at 10:55 PM
June 18, 2010
Another look at consumer sentiment and consumer spending
In the most recent economic forecasting survey by the Wall Street Journal, 23 percent of the surveyed economists said consumers spending more readily than anticipated is the biggest upside risk of their growth forecast for the second half of the year. So anything that can shed light on future spending habits is of particular interest. Two of the most commonly cited measures of consumer attitudes are the Conference Board's Consumer Confidence Index and the Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan's Index of Consumer Sentiment. A key question is, do these indicators improve consumption forecasts?
Previously, economic researchers have looked at the predictive power of these indexes for consumer spending, and they generally found that the ability of consumer confidence measures to predict consumer spending largely disappeared once some other measures of economic conditions were taken into account. One such example is a study by Sydney Ludvigson, which examined the forecasting record of these confidence measures through 2002 (for other examples, see here and here). Much has happened since then, of course, and a simple inspection of the two series reveals that both confidence measures fell fairly steadily starting in August 2007 until reaching near-record lows by June 2008. Therefore, a look at the more recent predictive track record of these indicators seems warranted.
For this examination, we conducted an out-of-sample forecasting experiment using a pair of statistical models (technically, Bayesian vector autoregression models). The first model predicts real personal consumption expenditures as a function of its own past values and past values of other variables such as real measures of stock market prices and disposable personal income. The second model includes all of these variables augmented by the two measures of consumer attitudes. At each point in time we use only the data that would have been available to forecast real consumption data anywhere from one to 12 months out. (For example, in the middle of February 2009, consumption data would have been available through December 2008 while some of the other variables would have been available through January or February 2009. The experiment is not "real time" in the sense that we use the latest vintage of data, which include revisions to the historical data that would not have been available to forecasters at the time.) Forecasts of consumption are made for the 1990–2003 period and then again for the period from 2004 to the present. The root mean squared forecast error is used to gauge the accuracy of the forecasts, with smaller numbers corresponding to smaller misses on average. As the accompanying chart shows, adding the two measures of consumer attitudes improves the forecast much more in the post-2003 sample than in the earlier period.
We experimented with some variations in specifications of the model, and we were unable to overturn the general finding that adding attitude measures to the model resulted in an improvement in forecasts in recent years. We found this fact intriguing and somewhat surprising.
A recent paper by Barsky and Solon argues that the Index of Consumer Sentiment reflects the public's awareness of economic conditions. In fact, the survey used to construct this index asks respondents about recent news they have heard related to changes in economic conditions. From August 2007 to June 2008, news of "unfavorable higher prices" was frequently mentioned in the survey. A study by James Hamilton showed that part of the deterioration in the Index of Consumer Sentiment during this period could be explained by rising energy prices. However, adding a measure of oil prices to our model did not overturn the basic finding of improved consumption spending forecasts in models that included measures of consumer attitudes.
It remains an open question why these measures of consumer attitudes have become more useful in recent years. A statistical anomaly, greater or more accessible news coverage of the economy, and a generally more aware public are all possibilities. If it is just luck, then time will eventually overturn the result. But if these consumer attitude indicators have become a more useful summary of a wide variety of developments in the economy, then their forecasting power will persist. Time and further research will help sort this out.
By Patrick Higgins, an economist at the Atlanta Fed
June 18, 2010 in Data Releases, Forecasts | Permalink
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Very interesting quantitative analysis here. It would be interesting to see an attempt to quantify media news and the impact it has on consumer confidence. Probably wouldn't be much help in forecasting, though.
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Robert F. |
June 23, 2010 at 10:50 AM
I don't understand this graph. Why does forecast error decrease with horizon? Shouldn't it be easier to predict the immediate future?
Also, can you give an impression about number of data points v. number of parameters?
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Doug |
June 28, 2010 at 05:47 PM
consumer sentiment will always drop out once employment and income enter the equation -- this was true 30 years ago and it still is today. where current econ environment can lead a spending equation astray is if the household balance sheet, net worth / dpi, is left out. reason why income growth in current cycle will bring about more saving than strict income/employment equation would suggest. perhaps here is where some part of the sentiment survey can work as a proxy for wealth.
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steve |
June 30, 2010 at 09:32 AM
Patrick Higgins responds: The forecasting experiment for this blog post uses monthly data starting in 1968 and ending anywhere from 1989 to 2009, depending on when the forecast is made. A particular forecast would include anywhere from about 250 observations to about 500 observations. The basic model includes 13 lags of eight variables plus a constant term for each variable, implying it has a total of 112 parameters. The model that includes the two measures of consumer confidence has 140 parameters. The forecasts are out-of-sample (i.e., they don't use future data the forecaster wouldn't have at the time), so the larger model does not necessarily have an a priori advantage over the basic model.
The accuracy of the forecasts are gauged using errors in predicting annualized growth rates--measured by logarithmic changes--in consumption anywhere from one month to 12 months in the future. As can be seen in the graph below when growth rates are annualized, the one-month growth rate in consumption is quite noisy, while the one-year growth rate is fairly smooth, and the 10-year growth rate is smoother still. This activity is essentially a particular case of the law of averages.
Therefore, one might expect that annualized growth rates become easier to forecast the further out in the future one goes. This case turns out to be one of using the simplest forecasting models of consumption growth--the so-called "naive model," which projects that annualized consumption growth in the future will be equal to its historical average (since 1968, in this case)--and is pictured in the graph below.
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Patrick Higgins |
July 02, 2010 at 12:53 PM
September 10, 2009
Economists got it wrong, but why?
Economists definitely received some bad publicity this past week, most prominently in the New York Times, where Paul Krugman asked "How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?," a nonrhetorical question he goes on to answer this way:
"As I see it, the economics profession went astray because economists, as a group, mistook beauty, clad in impressive-looking mathematics, for truth… the central cause of the profession’s failure was the desire for an all-encompassing, intellectually elegant approach that also gave economists a chance to show off their mathematical prowess.
"Unfortunately, this romanticized and sanitized vision of the economy led most economists to ignore all the things that can go wrong. They turned a blind eye to the limitations of human rationality that often lead to bubbles and busts; to the problems of institutions that run amok; to the imperfections of markets—especially financial markets—that can cause the economy’s operating system to undergo sudden, unpredictable crashes; and to the dangers created when regulators don't believe in regulation."
For at least one part of the Krugman critique, I have some sympathy. On the occasion of a 2005 conference honoring the 25th anniversary of Chris Sims's pathbreaking article "Macroeconomics and Reality"—an article that was itself a critique of empirical practices then dominant in central banks—I had this to say about the dangers of groupthink and questions we might be missing as a consequence:
"We are close to falling dangerously in love with the basic New Keynesian framework, the sticky price aspects of it in particular. Here is a simple observation: In the [statistical models] that are identified in the usual ways, inflation wants to drop like a rock in response to a basic technology shock. Models that engineer significant price inertia don’t want to let that happen…
One final point. In my time at the Fed, I have come to appreciate that most of the really important policy choices have nothing to do with Taylor rules or the like. They have to do with those episodes of financial crisis in which Taylor-like rules are woefully inadequate. Think here October 1987, the period from summer 1997 through the end of 1998, and the aftermath of September 11, 2001."
Though Professor Krugman spends a lot of time attacking acolytes of the so-called "Chicago" school, the fact is that the New Keynesian framework (described here by Greg Mankiw) is the workhorse theory within policymaking circles. If economists were unable to see their way to the macroeconomic consequences of the unfolding crisis, criticism needs to start with that framework.
I think such criticism is warranted, but the thrall of the New Keynesian world view has little to do with how "beautiful" the model is or that it is built on a lot of "impressive-looking mathematics." Quite the opposite. As I said in my 2005 comments, "the dynamics of the policy briefing game seem to favor forecasting performance over theoretical integrity." The models that we use for policy analysis are constructed on the basis of what connects with the facts we see (or think we see) in the data. If these models fail to contemplate things that might happen, it is precisely because there is a bias toward frameworks that explain history.
Robert Lucas zeroed in on this point in his "defence of the dismal science":
"The Economist’s briefing [criticizing the foresight of mainstream economists] also cited as an example of macroeconomic failure the 'reassuring' simulations that Frederic Mishkin, then a governor of the Federal Reserve, presented in the summer of 2007. The charge is that the Fed’s FRB/US forecasting model failed to predict the events of September 2008. Yet the simulations were not presented as assurance that no crisis would occur, but as a forecast of what could be expected conditional on a crisis not occurring. Until the Lehman failure the recession was pretty typical of the modest downturns of the post-war period. There was a recession under way, led by the decline in housing construction. Mr Mishkin's forecast was a reasonable estimate of what would have followed if the housing decline had continued to be the only or the main factor involved in the economic downturn."
Some attempts have been made to exploit the information contained in data from the Great Depression. (If you have patience for technical analysis you can find an example here.) And there have been many attempts to jerry-rig existing models to capture the financial shocks and their aftermath, especially once we had seen what that sort of reality looks like. But, by and large, the last year has been a data point we haven’t seen before, and it is not so surprising that models designed to capture the average quarter in the economy’s life would not do so well when very unaverage events arise.
It is certainly clear that the dominant pre-2007 strain of New Keynesian models was inadequate to the task that would confront us post-2007. That this was the case was not unknown. If I may quote myself again:
"I have in the past agreed that it is useful to think of the policy choices [following financial market events like the stock market crash of 1987] as policy shocks. I would still argue that today. But it sure would be helpful if at least some of these events would appear as something more than completely random disturbances. In other words, it would be very useful to have usable measures of what we loosely call 'financial market fragility,' and more useful still to have a coherent [sophisticated] quantitative model that captures them."
The problem with that prescription was that the relative infrequency of such events would likely have required us to step outside of our existing data-driven policy models and apply more theory, not less.
So does all this lead to the conclusion that we ought to ditch the presumptions of rationality and (largely) efficient markets, as Professor Krugman suggests? I have my doubts. Even some of the examples in the Krugman article seem to rely on the power of those ideas. In describing the problem of the lower bound of zero on nominal federal funds rates, he says this:
"During a normal recession, the Fed responds by buying Treasury bills—short-term government debt—from banks. This drives interest rates on government debt down; investors seeking a higher rate of return move into other assets, driving other interest rates down as well; and normally these lower interest rates eventually lead to an economic bounceback…
"But zero, it turned out, isn’t low enough to end this recession. And the Fed can't push rates below zero, since at near-zero rates investors simply hoard cash rather than lending it out. So by late 2008, with interest rates basically at what macroeconomists call the 'zero lower bound' even as the recession continued to deepen, conventional monetary policy had lost all traction."
That whole story relies on a conventional monetary transmission mechanism, one that fundamentally plays off of efficient markets thinking.
In another passage from the New York Times article, we have this:
"I like to explain the essence of Keynesian economics with a true story that also serves as a parable, a small-scale version of the messes that can afflict entire economies. Consider the travails of the Capitol Hill Baby-Sitting Co-op.
"This co-op, whose problems were recounted in a 1977 article in The Journal of Money, Credit and Banking, was an association of about 150 young couples who agreed to help one another by baby-sitting for one another’s children when parents wanted a night out. To ensure that every couple did its fair share of baby-sitting, the co-op introduced a form of scrip: coupons made out of heavy pieces of paper, each entitling the bearer to one half-hour of sitting time…
"Unfortunately, it turned out that the co-op’s members, on average, wanted to hold a reserve of more than 20 coupons, perhaps, in case they should want to go out several times in a row. As a result, relatively few people wanted to spend their scrip and go out, while many wanted to baby-sit so they could add to their hoard. But since baby-sitting opportunities arise only when someone goes out for the night, this meant that baby-sitting jobs were hard to find, which made members of the co-op even more reluctant to go out, making baby-sitting jobs even scarcer…
"In short, the co-op fell into a recession."
That's a great example, but where is the irrationality? That tight monetary policy might cause a downturn in the economy may be absent from purely classical models, but it is dead center of the New Keynesian framework. The problem was that our mechanism for capturing monetary nonneutrality—essentially wage and price stickiness—was far too simplistic to capture the shocks that we were about to face (and that we arguably faced to lesser degrees during past financial market events).
In short, I accept the criticism that the dominant New Keynesian framework for forecasting and economic modeling needs some work (to say the least). I'm less convinced that we require a major paradigm shift. Despite suggestions to the contrary, I've yet to see the evidence that progress requires moving beyond the intellectual boundaries in which most economists already live.
By David Altig, senior vice president and research director at the Atlanta Fed
September 10, 2009 in Business Cycles, Forecasts | Permalink
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Economists got it wrong because there's not one who understands the difference between a positive and a negative feedback loop.
Posted by:
diemos |
September 10, 2009 at 03:24 PM
Economists got it wrong because they only know how to model liquid markets. The fact that most markets are somewhat illiquid (that is, the decisions of participants frequently affect prices to varying degrees) means that the profession needs a major paradigm shift. The faults of modern economic models (including the New Keynesian models) were all described by Keynes in chapter 12 of the General Theory.
Posted by:
Anonymous |
September 10, 2009 at 08:57 PM
I called a bad recession 3 years ago ...it was pretty simple.
The Case-Shiller housing index was obviously a bubble and indicated to me that we had just experienced the largest misallocation of resources in the history of the world.
There were plenty of other signs early on ...inverted yeild curve, part time employment fell off a cliff and so on.
That so many economists didn't use some basic common sense is shameless. What happened was the equivalent of 99.9% of meteorologists telling everyone not to worry when Hurricane Katrina was 10 miles from landfall.
Anyway, I have an Economics degree, but work in the software field. I read econ blogs as a hobby and I predicted far better than the "professionals."
The scariest part is that now everyone who predicted it wouldn't happen is now saying it's over. They have kicked the can down the street with the stimulus and the bailouts, but we still don't have a clue what any big bank is worth or what is on the Fed/Treasury balance sheets.
I think there is still alot more pain ahead ...hope I'm wrong this time.
Posted by:
Jim Hancock |
September 11, 2009 at 02:35 AM
Economists got it wrong because they think in Gold Standard. They do not understand the causality in the flow identity
S - I = G + NX - T
Economists think that this equation implies Government spending doesn't change S and I goes down. It is exactly the opposite. S goes up with no direct on I.
Roughly, the correct logic is Government spending increases deposits and bank reserves simultaneously. Taxes do the opposite. Bond sale just reduces bank reserves. Adding up, deficits increase private sector savings.
Because the right hand side of the equation written above was negative for a long time now, (the stock of) private sector savings kept going down.
Such a thing was already known to Wynne Godley - the absolute gold medalist for the prediction of the crisis. http://www.levy.org/pubs/sevenproc.pdf
Posted by:
Rams |
September 11, 2009 at 04:49 AM
Modern macroeconomic models in the DSGE mould are all offshoots of the Arrow-Debreu model. There is no need for money in an Arrow-Debreu world and so they will never ever be useful for understanding a monetary-based economy. So I disagree with David, a paradigm shift is required. Robert Clower has expressed these ideas far more eloquently and powerfully in his address to the Southern Econonomic Association in 1993.
Posted by:
PE |
September 11, 2009 at 08:26 AM
You are absolutely correct about the Taylor rule being the workhorse during normal times. Monetary policy is the tool of choice for micromanaging and making incremental adjustments to the economy.
The bigger problems and economic crises are NOT adequately addressed by monetary policy. Those who advocate ONLY the use of monetary policy are trying to fight the economic battles with most of the tools locked in the tool kit. Monetary policy loses traction as it approaches the zero bound. Monetary policy also loses traction as interest rates approach double digits. Monetary policy is too broad in its effects to target single sectors that are out of whack and cannot operate outside the normal bounds without creating unwanted distortions.
The largest risks of inflation are commodity inflation or shortages (oil shocks, housing bubbles, tech stock bubbles, etc.). Monetary policy is impotent for addressing these problems. Attempts to use monetary policy as a corrective cannot work because any policy will leave a negative impact on multiple sectors of the economy. Commodity inflation problems are narrow sector problems that are best addressed by regulations that can narrowly target the problem sector.
Oil shock- Carter fixed that with regulations requiring energy efficiency. Efficiency standards worked very well until efficiency standards were relaxed. Implementing new tougher standards and promoting alternatives going forward will prevent future oil shocks. Housing bubble: Ideological opposition to enforcing lending standards and sufficient collateral allowed the bubble to develop. Tech stocks, inadequate enforcement by SEC and inadequate transparency requirements. All of these problems could have and should have been addressed. However, we got the sorry excuse that nothing could be done. Something could have been done, but it meant admitting that Monetary-Policy-Only ideology is WRONG and that better use of targeted regulatory policy is necessary. The anti-regulation crowd is ignoring the fact that all economies operate under a set of rules and no set of rules is ever perfect. Rules need to be changed and ENFORCED to keep the "game" clean, promote transparency and fairness. Those who are trying to make excessive profits by gaming the system will always work to undermine fairness and transparency in the system because transparency and fairness are the enemies of gaming the system).
The battles prior to 1980 included wage-price spirals. Because of globalization, the US labor market is no longer capable of creating wage-price spirals. The old models that focus narrowly on national labor are inadequate for a global labor market. Commodity inflation and bubbles have replaced wage-price spirals as the enemy of stability. This needs to be acknowledged and the system adjusted to deal with current threats. We need to replace the old school anti-regulation crowd with new blood that understands how to create and implement good regulations.
Posted by:
bakho |
September 11, 2009 at 08:40 AM
Let's face it - economists rarely get anything right so it's hardly surprising that they failed to predict the financial crisis.
The underlying problem is that economies are wayyyy too complex to model effectively and truly understand. They cannot be predicted over any significant period of time any more than stock prices or the weather. Of course you won't find an economist who will actually admit that because their living depends on maintaining the fallacy that they know what's going on.
And so we must resign ourselves to a continual series of excuses - "We failed because we didn't take *this* factor into account. If only our models had fully offset *that* factor with *this*...". Blah, blah, blah ad infinitum. Truly a dismal "science", but one that will always be there due to the human propensity to try and see patterns and order where they don't exist.
Posted by:
John Smith |
September 11, 2009 at 09:30 AM
David,
Your archives only go back to December 2008. If you would be kind enough to post your pre-Fed writings, there would be much ground to explore on the question of how economists got it wrong.
Not to be over-critical, but you are quoting yourself favorably here. I think that misses the vast complacency that you exhibited in the year or two leading up to the crisis.
Posted by:
David Pearson |
September 11, 2009 at 09:30 AM
OK, we all need to step back and remember that, when asking why the perspective of mainstream economics failed to do something we want it to do, we need to examine our own perspective, as well.
I have admired the work our host does since well before his arrival at the Fed. However, in this case, we have him saying "Look, the concerns outlined in a paper I wrote before this all happened got it right." Yes, and what a strong pull such success could have on one's own thinking. Strong enough,perhaps, that one might miss points others are trying to make. I, who have no such successful paper to attract my thoughts, saw Krugman's essay as largely a critique of our regulatory failure, rather than our central banking failure. If I read Krugman rightly, then saying that the Fed depends heavily on the New Keynesian model does not address what Krugman said. If you look at the effort to kill off regulatory oversight over the past decades, much of it does seem to rely on the excuse that market discipline will take care of limiting risk. Greenspan, who dominated policy making (at least in an advisory capacity) for a very long time, certainly took the "markets get it right" view, even if he was a New Keynesian when making monetary policy, and even if he stopped being a New Keynesian and became an Ad Hocian whenever disaster struck.
It strikes me that both the fresh-water/salt-water issue and the failings of New Keynesian thinking to account for liquidity and solvency problems need to be addressed. Room for both, because there are consequential failings associated with both.
Not that Anonymous was addressing Krugman, but Krugman did point out the failure of classical models to account for liquidity, and pointed out that other economic thinkers have taken into account the impact of capital depletion on the behavior or arbitraguers.
We should also avoid thinking along the lines of "Economists got it wrong because..." Economics is not monolithic, which is more or less the point of the exchange here and of Krugman's article. I also think there is good evidence that the biggest financial failure and recession since the Great Depression was not due to any one thing - not failure to understand the flow represented in the savings and investment equation, not failure to regulate, not failure to understand that risk doesn't go away when we ship it off to somebody else.
We did many things wrong. Each of us is likely to focus on one or two things, and that is to the good, within limits. Division of intellectual labor is likely to help us understand the individual facets of the crisis. What we need to avoid is the claim that our particular part of the puzzle was THE cause. It was THEM causes, not THE.
Posted by:
kharris |
September 11, 2009 at 11:57 AM
Blaming NeoKeynesianism without mentioning what caused NKians to rise to the fore--the pretense that the GUT of Economics had to be a Macro that conforms to the delusional Neoclassical principles*--is being careful to tell only half of the story. We could be nice and presume that is because you don't want to prove Krugman correct, but I'll decline that.
The pretense that group behavior is exactly identical to summing individual behaviors by the "freshwater" schools gave us the crime of NeoKeynesianism.
*The traditional wisecrack that the use of Neo- before an established branch of economics should be taken to indicate that the philosophy is the opposite of the original is noted for the record.
Posted by:
Ken Houghton |
September 11, 2009 at 12:23 PM
Is it a coincidence our financial system imploaded within 10 years of Glass-Steagall's repeal. The only reasonable explanation for why so few Economists questioned the wisdom of financial deregulation without calling for a mega-overseer (just in case) is our Economists fell prey to the same short-sighted self-interest that afflicted so many others in our "free market" system.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/07/priceless-how-the-federal_n_278805.html
Posted by:
bailey |
September 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM
Ha, maybe we should add a "Best when used by" date on our money. Coors turns blue now when cold- maybe we could turn Hamilton red when hot?
Posted by:
FormerSSresident |
September 11, 2009 at 12:45 PM
Remember all the banksters and Wall Streeters who have prospered despite the crisis and whether or not they were trained economists does not obviate the fact that they knowingly gamed the system to their benefit only.
Posted by:
ECON |
September 11, 2009 at 01:44 PM
appreciate your post Prof Altig, and also appreciate John Cochrane's defense of economics in his recent publication.
It is impossible to analyze the financial disaster from purely an economic point of view. To do so regardless of whatever school you subscribe to will give you a myopic vision.
Certainly there should be much to say about how our banking industry is structured, what roles it should play, and how it's regulated. My fear here is that the largest most politically well connected participants will get to decide the rules of the game.
There are many questions that should be asked like, "Should Investment banks be allowed to trade for their own prop account and act as a broker, and as a financier?" "Should investment banks that proprietary trade be able to use the public market to raise capital?" "Should internalization of order flow be allowed to happen, or is it better for all orders to go through a centralized transparent marketplace?"
How about the agencies that graded the debt? How about the distortions to the market place caused by externalities due to government intervention, or the creation of a willing and non-transparent OTC marketplace?
This is much larger than the jaded lens Krugman views the world through.
Posted by:
Jeff |
September 11, 2009 at 02:32 PM
David Altig's remarks here, particularly his conclusion, "I've yet to see the evidence that progress requires moving beyond the intellectual boundaries in which most economists already live." reminded me of a WSJ debate about job-market "slack" Max Sawicky and I had with David back in August 2005.
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB112419322049714334,00.html
Unemployment was 5% and David was inclined to view continued low labor force participation rates as more a result of demographic trends and informed choice than of policy failure. Speaking of demographic trends, I had a look just now at the time series of the employment to population ratio for 16-24 year olds and I think that picture tells a story it would be very, very foolish to overlook.
Since the comments here don't accept graphic files, I'll have to invite readers to my EconoSpeak post at:
http://econospeak.blogspot.com/2009/09/job-market-slack-as-leading-indicator.html
It seems to me that the youth employment to population ratio has been signaling something or other for the last 20 to 25 years. If it isn't signaling policy failure or paradigm exhaustion, then I'd like to know what it is signaling.
Posted by:
Sandwichman |
September 11, 2009 at 07:07 PM
"Economists got it wrong because they think in Gold Standard. They do not understand the causality in the flow identity
S - I = G + NX - T
Economists think that this equation implies Government spending doesn't change S and I goes down. It is exactly the opposite. S goes up with no direct on I.
Roughly, the correct logic is Government spending increases deposits and bank reserves simultaneously. Taxes do the opposite. Bond sale just reduces bank reserves. Adding up, deficits increase private sector savings.
Because the right hand side of the equation written above was negative for a long time now, (the stock of) private sector savings kept going down.
Such a thing was already known to Wynne Godley - the absolute gold medalist for the prediction of the crisis. "
This is perhaps the most incoherent thing ever written. Try making sense.
Posted by:
Jimmy Jabbadoo |
September 12, 2009 at 12:41 AM
Guys ...it was easy ...we spent $4-5 trillion on houses we didn't need. Why do we need a complicated economic model to figure out this is bad??
If all your income is allocate to bills and you suddenly discover your spouse put 4 months of your annual salary on credit cards ...it is gonna get ugly!!
Why is this so hard for people to wrap their head around? The potential train wreck was obvious, but people ignored the signs because it is uncomfortable to go against the herd.
Posted by:
Jim Hancock |
September 12, 2009 at 02:27 AM
The New Keynesian framework is simply the New Classical/RBC framework with frictions thrown in so that the models can work better with existing data. The Classical foundations are there and obvious, and it is hard for anyone to claim that removing the frictions would make for models that would have worked better in crisis situations. Yes we need more theory, but we don't need more Classical theory. That stuff doesn't work in crisis situations, period.
It is also incredible to see Krugman's account of a liquidity trap situation get described as a "conventional money transmission mechanism" that fundamentally plays off "efficient markets" thinking.
Posted by:
Jason |
September 12, 2009 at 04:38 AM
Let's assume Dave A. is correct in summing: "I've yet to see the evidence that progress requires moving beyond the intellectual boundaries in which most economists already live."
What now? My question is: Why should John Q. Public take seriously any Economist who is not arguing for our need to correlate our economic indicators & measuring methodology to correlate to a population sampling (any size)?
For me it's simple, the FED has the clout. It alone sets the framework for Macroeconomic argument. For evidence listen to the jokes at FED analyst meetings. EVERYONE knows the extent & seriousness of the problem, yet NO ONE speak to it.
My advice to PK, BDL, DA & way too many of their peers is even simpler: Get out of the box & speak to the overarching problems of your chosen profession or sit back & enjoy the life it affords you.
Posted by:
bailey |
September 12, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Puuhlease, you mean the "media experts" got it wrong. Those media experts are being confused with actual economists (Michael Hudson, Paul Craig Roberts, James Galbraith, et al.) who predicted correctly.
The system was gamed and the countervailing powers (regulations from the New Deal) were gutted. Keynes warned (as did John Kenneth Galbraith) as to what would occur without the proper countervailing factors in place.
Regulation Q (anti-usury) needs to be resurrected. Glass-Steagall needs to be resurrected. Proper interviewing, vetting and background checks of those working at SEC needs to be resurrected (and please, no more Blackwater or Kroll (now Veritas Capital) nor USIS clownish background verifications).
Posted by:
sgt_doom |
September 12, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Jimmy (Jabbadoo),
I have made sense of it! Deficits increase private sector savings - rather than decreasing it. Its an accounting identity - $-for-$, ex-ante and ex-post.
Till the time Economists keep making this mistake of not accepting this identity, they will always get stuff wrong :)
Posted by:
Rams |
September 13, 2009 at 05:54 AM
Why should economists get in right? In both academia and media, there is much more benefit to being wrong with everybody else than in being right by yourself. Only the handful that are not dependent on other's opinions can afford to be right.
Posted by:
Ed |
September 13, 2009 at 03:20 PM
Comments do not allow a full-scale debate on this issue. I can not help referring to own piece presenting a complimentary agenda for economic profession. Briefly, we should scrutinize basic measurements, which are generally not compatible over time as all statistic agencies urge researchers. To begin with, we have to develop a consistent definition(s) to macroeconomic variables and re-estimate past readings. Just a simple example, the definition of unemployment has multiple revisions last 20 years ans still has many versions.
The paper is - Does economics need a scientific revolution? http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/14476/
This is a reaction to the paper "Economics need a scientific revolution" by J.-P. Bouchaud in Nature http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7217/full/4551181a.html
Posted by:
Ivan Kitov |
September 14, 2009 at 03:04 AM
Economists got it wrong because it did not matter to them if they were wrong. Their jobs being tied to much different things then being right. Many non-economists called it very well.
Posted by:
Simon |
September 14, 2009 at 04:23 AM
In a sense, we are all customers of economic theory because it ifluences in one way or another decisions made by economic and financial authorities. As the customers we should ask the economic profession to formulate a new research plan. This plan has to define clear (for general public and experts in various fields) ideas and tools which are necessary to answer the question why the theory has failed to describe 2007-2010, and when it expects a new unpredictable change likely to happen.
Meanwhile, it would be helpful for economists to regain public trust. This current discussion on the difference between various (failed) approaches does not look like helpful. If they follow the route of the negation of the presence of educated audience waiting for reasonable answers, they will completely detach themselves from the scientific community and general public as well.
Posted by:
Ivan Kitov |
September 14, 2009 at 08:51 AM
Got it wrong? Sure did.
And what are they doing about it? They are saying it was the 'other' economists who got it wrong.
Do you know of any prominent economist who has changed anything in response to being wrong?????
Posted by:
wally |
September 14, 2009 at 09:03 AM
Everyone is stuck on stupid.
For those who need a reminder, the equation of exchange is an algebraic way of stating a truism; that the product of the unit prices, and quantities of goods and services exchanged, is equal (for the same time period), to the product of the volume, and velocity of money. Velocity is the rate of speed at which money is being spent.
It is self-evident from the equation that an increase in the volume, and or velocity of money, will cause a rise in unit prices, if the volume of transactions increases less, and vice versa. This is merely algebra, but it has an important economic application.
The economic question arises from differing opinions as to whether the monetary authorities (The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee) can control both the volume and velocity of money, and the effects of changes to the volume and velocity of money, in production and employment, as well as on prices.
Historically, it is mathematically impossible to miss any swing in economic activity. Why? Because all demand drafts drawn on all money creating depository institutions cleared through demand deposits – except those drawn on MSBs, interbank, and the U.S. government.
The Sept. 1981 top in AAA bond yields, was calculated at 1/1000 of a basis point off of the 1977 "base period". Of course, the near perfect correlation was somewhat lucky.
Posted by:
flow5 |
September 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM
Thanks for the lively commentary. A few reactions to the reactions:
diemos kicks things off with this: "Economists got it wrong because there's not one who understands the difference between a positive and a negative feedback loop."
I may not quite understand the reference, but it seems to me that at least one prominent economist -- Chairman Bernanke -- understands the distinction pretty well (http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20080822a.htm).
"The Federal Reserve's response to this crisis has consisted of three key elements. First, we eased monetary policy substantially, particularly after indications of economic weakness proliferated around the turn of the year. In easing rapidly and proactively, we sought to offset, at least in part, the tightening of credit conditions associated with the crisis and thus to mitigate the effects on the broader economy. By cushioning the first-round economic impact of the financial stress, we hoped also to minimize the risks of a so-called adverse feedback loop in which economic weakness exacerbates financial stress, which, in turn, further damages economic prospects."
Anonymous offers: "Economists got it wrong because they only know how to model liquid markets. The fact that most markets are somewhat illiquid (that is, the decisions of participants frequently affect prices to varying degrees) means that the profession needs a major paradigm shift."
This is in the end, I think, a variation on the Krugman criticism of the efficient markets hypothesis. And it is, actually, a criticism with which I have some sympathy. My understanding of the Federal Reserve's shift to "non-traditional" policies -- described here: http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2009/04/snapping-ropes-and-breaking-bricks.html -- is fundamentally about the arrival of a crisis-induced segmentation of markets. I'd argue that such segmentation -- or absence of arbitrage, if you will -- is not a property that ought be invoked indiscriminantly, but segmented markets, trading frictions, and the like are model features than can be constructed well enough with a prettty standard economist's toolkit.
Which brings me to this comment from PE: "Modern macroeconomic models in the DSGE mould are all offshoots of the Arrow-Debreu model. There is no need for money in an Arrow-Debreu world and so they will never ever be useful for understanding a monetary-based economy. So I disagree with David, a paradigm shift is required."
No argument there -- almost. Most modern macroeconomic models are indeed offshoots of the Arrow-Debreu model. In simple terms, this means that a perfectly competitive, frictionless economy serves as a benchmark. But the New Keynesian model is not frictionless. As I noted in my earlier post, "sticky" wages and prices are central to the framework. As I also said, I think we have learned that these price rigidities are not up to the task of capturing the financial frictions that seem so important now that we have so clearly seen them. But the problem is not an unthinking devotion to the Arrow-Debreu ideal. (I also concede that the existence of money is not well motivated in a perfectly frictionless world, and very little attention is given in New Keynesian models as to the precise forms of the market imperfections that would give rise to a monetary economy. Here again, though, there are some quite prominent mainstream economists who are all over the issue: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~swilliam/papers/newmonetarism.pdf)
Some of the other comments I hope to address -- at least implicitly -- in the next post. Thanks again for the input.
Posted by:
David Altig |
September 15, 2009 at 02:17 PM
One more thing. One final point. David Pearson calls me out for some selective memory: "Your archives only go back to December 2008. If you would be kind enough to post your pre-Fed writings, there would be much ground to explore on the question of how economists got it wrong.
Not to be over-critical, but you are quoting yourself favorably here. I think that misses the vast complacency that you exhibited in the year or two leading up to the crisis."
Let me be clear. I used my comments from the 2005 conference because I still hold those sentiments, not because I claim anything close to prescience. Around the time I made the referenced comments referenced in the previous post, I said this, in print, in an exchange with Nouriel Roubini (http://online.wsj.com/public/article/0,,SB111202112287190860,00.html):
"You are right, of course, to point out the risks, and the longer we ignore those risks the bumpier the ride will be. But I see turbulence, at worst, not a flaming crash."
Not my best call, but I will also point out that the debate at the time was about whether large fiscal and current account deficits would cause a run on the dollar. The prediction of a hard landing due to those dynamics wasn't really any closer to way things played out.
Posted by:
David Altig |
September 15, 2009 at 03:26 PM
To add a rather less erudite note to the discussion, that takes us back to Greenspan’s rule at the Fed.
David was invited to a conference in October of 2007 which I attended. He gave a rather general talk about the status of the housing market then. I got up and asked an impertinent question: “where have the regulators been during this ‘irrational exuberance’ in the housing market?” David’s comment is seared in my memory. He said, “oh, the Fed doesn’t go around looking for bubbles to pop”. And I thought to myself: “why the heck not?”.
The rest is history. Now David of course was just following Greenspan’s dicta, but the social cost of such ideology is just monumental.
Posted by:
hcg |
September 15, 2009 at 09:38 PM
OK -- One more thing:
Several of the comments strike a somewhat skeptical, even nihilistic, tone with respect to the prospect for economic models (as the profession understands the concept) to be of much value at all (at best). To that skepticism, I’d like to push back.
I often tell students that every statement about economic phenomena contains some assumptions about preferences (what people want), technologies and endowments (the resources people have to get the things they want), and how economic activity is coordinated. Economic models are just devices to lay those assumptions bare, and to follow them to their logical conclusions. Economic theory, expressed through an explicit model, is a way to hold the storyteller responsible for the coherence of the story.
These narratives have consequences, of course, as they do partially drive decisions—that is their purpose. To put it another way, an explicit economic framework helps put the “informed” in “informed judgment.” When the moral of the story leads to missteps, economists ought to (and do) think long and hard about what went wrong and why. And the public is right to ask, and even demand, that the profession does so.
My current thinking, which I was trying to emphasize in the previous post, derives from an uneasy feeling that the New Keynesian model we thought was working so well was heretofore built on a not-sophisticated-enough model of financial intermediation, which leads to a not-sophisticated-enough monetary transmission mechanism, which leads to a not-sophisticated-enough notion of what a sound monetary policy rule looks like. Questions like "might the Taylor rule amplify financial market volatility" in a model where financial elements are taken seriously are, to my mind, first order.
It is also the type of question that, I contend, can be addressed by adding to the cumulative product of macroeconomic theory as it exists today. These amendments might well include changes in the way we model information and expectations formation – as emphasized by Professor Krugman and discussed in this interview with New York University professor Tom Sargent: http://www.cesifo-group.de/pls/guestci/download/CESifo%20Working%20Papers%202005/CESifo%20Working%20Papers%20March%202005/cesifo1_wp1434.pdf. I admit that I am personally a bit hesitant about straying too far from the assumption of rationality --- strong assumptions about individual rationality were themselves added to mainstream macroeconomic models because their absence appeared to have led economists astray in the past. (See the 1970s.) But hey, let a thousand flowers bloom.
Posted by:
David Altig |
September 16, 2009 at 03:51 PM
hcg -- I don't really remember the conference, but I am prepared to fully own the comment, as I think the response you relate is still the one I would give. Trying to answer questions like "Where are the bubbles" and "What can we do to pop them" presumes an awful lot of information. If really smart people with big loads of money on the line don't get it right I'm not sure why it would be presumed that policymakers will. I think our efforts are better spent trying to find -- and then avoid -- policy choices that contribute to instability, and creating an infrastructure that is robust to the inevitable imbalances and mistakes when thet arise.
Posted by:
David Altig |
September 16, 2009 at 04:19 PM
August 06, 2009
Every recovery is the same; each recovery is different
Two weeks ago, macroblog looked at the rather pessimistic expectations for what the economic recovery might look like this time around. Included was part of the narrative noting that structural adjustments are likely to impede a quick snapback in gross domestic product (GDP) over the coming quarters.
Macroblog reader Bryan Lassiter asked, "Do economists typically predict a weaker recovery than history suggests?" Good question. To state the question in a slightly different way, "Has the United States ever been in a situation where it experienced a deep recession and forecasters subsequently predicted a slow recovery that ultimately proved to be incorrectly pessimistic?"
To get at these questions, we can look at real-time real GDP data and the Survey of Professional Forecasters (SPF) available from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia (while the SPF started in 1968, forecasts of real GDP began in 1981).
The chart plots the depth of the recession on the x axis and strength of recovery on the y axis (updated from the 7/24 post to include last Friday's GDP release). The blue diamonds were constructed using forecasts that were made in the quarter the recession officially ended; the red squares are what actually happened.
To illustrate the exercise, pretend we're back in the fourth quarter of 2001 and the recession is over (although we didn't know it). Given what we thought we knew about the economy at the time, we can look at what forecasters were expecting in terms of GDP and compare it with what was ultimately reported by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. Looking at the 2001 recession, we can see that the expectations for recovery were not that far off, but the severity of the recession was lessened—partly because of data revisions and partly because of forecast error. The 1990–91 recession showed a similar pattern, but in reverse. That is, the recovery forecasts were close to the actual experience, but the depth of the recession ended up being more severe than initially thought.
What stands out in the chart is the recovery following the 1981–82 recession. In real time, four-quarter GDP growth was expected to be about 3.5 percent but wound up being much stronger at nearly 8 percent. In this instance, the response is yes to the initial question of whether economists typically predict a weaker recovery. With the 1981–82 episode, we saw a recession where economists had forecast a recovery that ultimately turned out to be much stronger than anticipated. However, the 1981–82 blue diamond was still relatively close to the cluster of other recessions on the chart, meaning the recovery forecast was not exceptionally weak. Thus, the current recession still seems to be an outlier. Given the almost 4 percent decline experienced in GDP, the hope would be to see something stronger than the 2.5 percent growth expected over the next year.
Whatever the impediments to a sharp recovery, forecasts are certainly telling us that economists are treating this recession as being different from previous ones.
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By Mike Hammill, economic policy analyst at the Atlanta Fed
August 6, 2009 in Business Cycles, Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts | Permalink
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Interesting.
But if I understand the graph correctly, I think there's a bit of sample selection bias. You are only considering data points where we know ex post that the recession ended and recovery started on that date. The forecasters didn't know that.
Take a simple example: suppose GDP follows a random walk, with a 50% chance of an increase and a 50% chance of a decrease. The rational forecast will always be for no change. But if we only look at data points where recession ended, we will always see positive growth. So forecasters will always appear to have underestimated the speed of a recovery.
We are comparing: the unconditional forecast of the speed of recovery; with the actual speed of recovery, conditional on recovery happening.
Posted by:
Nick Rowe |
August 07, 2009 at 08:19 AM
If the forecasts were always the correct direction but only 50% of the right size, you'd conclude that the forecasters were simply too timid, and just double the published forecast.
Alas, recoveries are called too early, leading to the magnitude of a recovery being larger than forecast, but the growth from the point of forecast until the recovery mark being more accurate, even though the short-term forecast was probably the wrong direction.
It seems this counting method is almost designed to give too few data points to analysis. Why not look at the typical 1-year-ahead forecasts, and see how much of all the turns -- both positive and negative -- are captured? With more observations, and fewer issues about selectivity, one could better see that predicting the future much different than the trend is furiously difficult and fraught with error.
And we're not even into the potential biases from the usage of these forecasts. We might debate whether it's more of a problem for society -- for investors, policy-makers, businesspeople -- to have a too-optistic or too-pessimistic outlook. Since part of forecasts for a long time has been cheerleading, and consumer confidence is endogenous here, we can expect lots of well-intentioned happy talk, just like we heard going into the recession.
Posted by:
Walt French |
August 07, 2009 at 06:58 PM
Nick - I kind of think that’s the whole point of looking at “real time”. To see forecasters’ behavior at the end of a recession with the information they had available to them. They might have had a hunch it was over, but were uncertain about it (sound familiar?). GDP doesn’t follow a random walk with a 50-50 chance of going up or down. It tends to go up more than down - remember productivity, labor & capital? I agree that GDP goes up after a recession ends - the question is by how much and how fast. And, if the economists are way off this time around.
Posted by:
jb |
August 10, 2009 at 09:31 AM

You can't test whether core is useful this way. For example, if a central bank is targeting 2% total inflation at a 2-year horizon, and if it is doing it right, then *nothing* should forecast 2-year ahead inflation. This is an immediate implication of rational expectations on the part of the bank. Deviations of total inflation from 2% are the bank's forecast error, which should be uncorrelated with anything in the bank's information set 2 years prior.
More in my post here: http://worthwhile.typepad.com/worthwhile_canadian_initi/2011/06/no-you-cant-test-whether-core-is-useful-that-way.html