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August 19, 2009

How fast can the economy grow?

The recession may be ending (and may, in fact, have ended, according to the majority of economists recently surveyed by the Wall Street Journal) but, as Friday's consumer confidence report suggests, the uncertainty about the course of future growth is far from resolved. The most recent consensus forecast from the panel assembled for the monthly Blue Chip Economic Indicators does suggest a nice bounce back into positive growth territory, bringing to an end a four-quarter run of gross domestic product (GDP) contraction.

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What remains interesting, however, is the range of disagreement about just how fast the recovery will be. The upper and lower black lines in the chart above delineate the 10 most optimistic forecasts (the upper lines) and the least optimistic forecasts (the lower lines) among the Blue Chip panel's 51 economists. Most interesting is the fact that some collection of theses economists are, in any given quarter, guessing that growth will not break a 2 percent annual pace before we exit 2010.

That uncertainty is compounded by an even more consequential uncertainty, lucidly emphasized recently by Menzie Chinn (here, here, and here): How fast can we grow before straining the economy's capacity? In other words, is slow growth the best we can expect given the economy's current potential?

The output gap—the difference between the current level of GDP and estimated potential—has long been standard fare in policy analysis. Over at iMFdirect, the International Monetary Fund's blog, Ajai Chopra explains why we care:

"What would be merely a curiosity during better times—after all, potential output is a largely abstract concept measuring the level of output an economy can produce without undue strain on resources—has become a particular worry in the context of the global economic crisis…

"Right now, budget planners across Europe are scrambling to estimate the strength of the blow the crisis has dealt to public finances, and not knowing the growth potential of their economies greatly complicates their task. If they overestimate potential growth, they would underestimate the need for fiscal adjustment once the crisis has dissipated, raising thorny issues of fiscal sustainability in the longer run.

"Central bankers, too, are looking for guidance on the path of potential output. Their decision on when to start winding down current crisis policies depends on the difference between potential and actual output, the so-called output gap. If the output gap is closing faster because of a drop in potential, policymakers might decide to increase interest rates a little earlier and a little higher to prevent  inflation from rising."

Economists also do not lack methods for estimating the output gap and, just in case the field is not crowded enough, Atlanta Fed economist Jim Nason has done some investigating of his own. Jim looked at a variety of statistical estimates of the output gap and arrived at what is now a pretty familiar conclusion. To wit, there is substantial variation in output gap estimates across the different methods, and I do mean substantial: The gap estimates for the second quarter of 2009 range from –0.5 to nearly –11 percent depending on which method is used. In other words, some methods imply the gap is very large, others say the gap is rather small.

I am tempted to invoke the ancient economists' chant, "noh-bah-de-noz," but real-life policymakers don't have that luxury. So we delve in the details and try to sort out what seems like the best approach. (If you have a technical bent, you can do the same with Jim's estimates by following this link.) As we sort it out, though, Ajai Chopra gives some sound advice:

"As for central bankers, they should also act on the information they have, although researchers such as Athanasios Orphanides (now Governor of the Central Bank of Cyprus and member of the ECB's Governing Council) have sensibly suggested that central banks should tread carefully by reducing the importance of the output gap in their decision making.

"More generally, policymakers—be they in the central bank or in the ministry of finance—would do well by communicating their assumptions about potential output growth to the public."

With that in mind, I will leave you with the recent communication on the subject offered by Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta President Dennis Lockhart:

"Many observers see substantial slack in the economy that could persist for some years. Economists' more formal term for slack is "output gap." We at the Atlanta Fed see a meaningful output gap developing, but in our view it is smaller than would normally be associated with the weak pace of growth we expect over the next couple of years because all the obstacles to the natural pace of growth already mentioned have brought down the economy's potential for the medium term."

So, as President Lockhart indicates, mark us down, for now, on the low end of output gap scale.

Update: The San Francisco Fed's John Fernald and Kyle Matoba offer some related thoughts in the newest edition of the Bank's Economic Letter (hat tip to Econbrowser).

By David Altig, senior vice president and research director at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

August 19, 2009 in Business Cycles, Economic Growth and Development, Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy | Permalink

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Call me crazy, but I think this thing will turn and do so fast. We'll be busy again soon. But after that initial buzz, I don't know.

Today people are so connected and capital networks and social networks stronger than ever in world history. That is a factor not included, even in 01-02. Let's see if I'm right.

Posted by: FormerSSResident | August 20, 2009 at 07:07 PM

Turn good that is, from above.

Posted by: FormerSSResident | August 20, 2009 at 07:08 PM

Wow, and ouch. What a lot of puts and takes. Forgive me if the old quote about sound and fury signifying little occurs but nice to see all the different approaches. Reading thru them all just now it seems to be that the semi-traditional methods still seem to work and have been more accurate empirically. What Menzie calls a PDF/New Keynsian approach reflects in the CBO, FRB and IMF/WB estimates. Given that Menzie's last post which shows the IMF projections where GDPpot drops to 1% in 2010 and barely climbs back to 2% by 2015, with unemployment not reaching its speed limit until 2016 seems like the defensible position. ???
You might want to look at John Hussman of Hussman Funds take as well:
http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc090817.htm

It also seems to me a brute force approach would look at CalculatedRisk's work on comparing this to prior downturn's employment where this is deep and slow and "flipping" it around in a mirror image (an algebraic rotation)would also suggest "breakeven" in 2016.

Taken all together and reflecting Pres. Lockhart's view it would seem we're in a painfully slow and low recovery for most of the next decade.
Comments, reactions, correction ? Please tell me I'm wrong.

Posted by: dblwyo | August 20, 2009 at 07:13 PM

The economies capacity to supply is not a problem. Productivity growth was remarkable in the second quarter. The amount of unused productive resources is staggering. Capacity utilization is 12.4 points below its 1972-2008 average. Returning to the 64.3% employment/population ratio of 1999-2000 would necessitate an 11+ percent increase in private sector employment in just two years (or a 13% increase in three years).

Getting back to full employment is a challenge, but not impossible. Four times in the last 70 years, private sector employment has grown by more than 11 percent in just 24 months. Three of them were war related: entry into World War 2, demobilization after WW2 and entry into the Korean War. The peace time example was from January 1977 to January 1979 when private employment rose 11.5 percent. This two year period also set a 50 year record for percentage increase in total hours worked in the non-farm economy and for increases in the employment-population ratio.

What caused such remarkable growth in 1977 and 1978? Answer: a generous TEMPORARY Federal tax credit for increases in employment above 102 percent of the firm’s employment.level in the previous year

The Democratic Congress elected in 1976 arrived in Washington at a time of high unemployment, anemic (3.4% during 1976) employment growth and rising inflation due to the quadrupling of world oil prices in 1973-74. It responded with a temporary New Jobs Tax Credit (NJTC) for 1977 and 1978 that lowered the marginal cost of expanding a firm's workforce by roughly 15 percent on average (more for low wage and high turnover firms). Despite foot dragging by the IRS, one third of the nation’s private employers received NJTC credits that lowered their 1978 taxes by $3.1 billion. By the final quarter of 1978, capacity utilization had spiked, real output had increased 15 percent and unemployment had dropped from 7.8 to 5.9 percent.

The expiration of the NJTC at the end of 1978 did not unravel these effects. During the next 12 months, output and employment continued to grow albeit at a slower pace and the employment-population ratio and unemployment rate were stable.

The later 1980 and 1982-83 recessions were caused by the 160% increase in oil prices precipitated by the Iranian revolution & the Iran/Iraq war and the Federal Reserve response to inflationary consequences of the oil shock.
http://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/articles/242/

Posted by: John Bishop | August 22, 2009 at 06:50 PM

Perhaps this discussion is too macro. A good chunk of our unused capacity is capacity to build more housing--when we already have a substantial excess supply. (Data here: http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/hvs/hvs.html). Getting that unused capacity productive again would not make us a wealthier country, it would only make us a more-over-supplied-in-housing country.

Some of the resources used to create this productive capacity need to be redirected to other sectors, but some of the resources are so specialized (backhoes, nail guns, chop saws) that they may rust away before they are needed again.

This suggests that meaningful capacity is lower than currently measured, our output gap is less, and the room for a rebound is less.

Posted by: Bill Conerly | August 23, 2009 at 01:01 PM

As a business writer, I hope the economy is improving. In the 30-plus years I have been reporting on small business topics, I have never witnessed more devastation in the marketplace. It is a Hurricane Katrina out there. What small business needs is a big infusion of credit to jump start the market. Credit has been cut off to businesses through no fault of their own. To cite just one example, a contractor had a $500,000 line of credit reduced to zero over night. Following that he laid off staff members. This sector of the economy is in desperate need of help. The big banks received help, now it is time to help the little guy.

Ron D

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August 06, 2009

Every recovery is the same; each recovery is different

Two weeks ago, macroblog looked at the rather pessimistic expectations for what the economic recovery might look like this time around. Included was part of the narrative noting that structural adjustments are likely to impede a quick snapback in gross domestic product (GDP) over the coming quarters.

Macroblog reader Bryan Lassiter asked, "Do economists typically predict a weaker recovery than history suggests?" Good question. To state the question in a slightly different way, "Has the United States ever been in a situation where it experienced a deep recession and forecasters subsequently predicted a slow recovery that ultimately proved to be incorrectly pessimistic?"

To get at these questions, we can look at real-time real GDP data and the Survey of Professional Forecasters (SPF) available from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia (while the SPF started in 1968, forecasts of real GDP began in 1981).

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The chart plots the depth of the recession on the x axis and strength of recovery on the y axis (updated from the 7/24 post to include last Friday's GDP release). The blue diamonds were constructed using forecasts that were made in the quarter the recession officially ended; the red squares are what actually happened.

To illustrate the exercise, pretend we're back in the fourth quarter of 2001 and the recession is over (although we didn't know it). Given what we thought we knew about the economy at the time, we can look at what forecasters were expecting in terms of GDP and compare it with what was ultimately reported by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. Looking at the 2001 recession, we can see that the expectations for recovery were not that far off, but the severity of the recession was lessened—partly because of data revisions and partly because of forecast error. The 1990–91 recession showed a similar pattern, but in reverse. That is, the recovery forecasts were close to the actual experience, but the depth of the recession ended up being more severe than initially thought.

What stands out in the chart is the recovery following the 1981–82 recession. In real time, four-quarter GDP growth was expected to be about 3.5 percent but wound up being much stronger at nearly 8 percent. In this instance, the response is yes to the initial question of whether economists typically predict a weaker recovery. With the 1981–82 episode, we saw a recession where economists had forecast a recovery that ultimately turned out to be much stronger than anticipated. However, the 1981–82 blue diamond was still relatively close to the cluster of other recessions on the chart, meaning the recovery forecast was not exceptionally weak. Thus, the current recession still seems to be an outlier. Given the almost 4 percent decline experienced in GDP, the hope would be to see something stronger than the 2.5 percent growth expected over the next year.

Whatever the impediments to a sharp recovery, forecasts are certainly telling us that economists are treating this recession as being different from previous ones.

To help track the economy going forward, check out our weekly Economic Highlights and Financial Highlights.

By Mike Hammill, economic policy analyst at the Atlanta Fed

August 6, 2009 in Business Cycles, Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts | Permalink

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Interesting.

But if I understand the graph correctly, I think there's a bit of sample selection bias. You are only considering data points where we know ex post that the recession ended and recovery started on that date. The forecasters didn't know that.

Take a simple example: suppose GDP follows a random walk, with a 50% chance of an increase and a 50% chance of a decrease. The rational forecast will always be for no change. But if we only look at data points where recession ended, we will always see positive growth. So forecasters will always appear to have underestimated the speed of a recovery.

We are comparing: the unconditional forecast of the speed of recovery; with the actual speed of recovery, conditional on recovery happening.

Posted by: Nick Rowe | August 07, 2009 at 08:19 AM

If the forecasts were always the correct direction but only 50% of the right size, you'd conclude that the forecasters were simply too timid, and just double the published forecast.

Alas, recoveries are called too early, leading to the magnitude of a recovery being larger than forecast, but the growth from the point of forecast until the recovery mark being more accurate, even though the short-term forecast was probably the wrong direction.

It seems this counting method is almost designed to give too few data points to analysis. Why not look at the typical 1-year-ahead forecasts, and see how much of all the turns -- both positive and negative -- are captured? With more observations, and fewer issues about selectivity, one could better see that predicting the future much different than the trend is furiously difficult and fraught with error.

And we're not even into the potential biases from the usage of these forecasts. We might debate whether it's more of a problem for society -- for investors, policy-makers, businesspeople -- to have a too-optistic or too-pessimistic outlook. Since part of forecasts for a long time has been cheerleading, and consumer confidence is endogenous here, we can expect lots of well-intentioned happy talk, just like we heard going into the recession.

Posted by: Walt French | August 07, 2009 at 06:58 PM

Nick - I kind of think that’s the whole point of looking at “real time”. To see forecasters’ behavior at the end of a recession with the information they had available to them. They might have had a hunch it was over, but were uncertain about it (sound familiar?). GDP doesn’t follow a random walk with a 50-50 chance of going up or down. It tends to go up more than down - remember productivity, labor & capital? I agree that GDP goes up after a recession ends - the question is by how much and how fast. And, if the economists are way off this time around.

Posted by: jb | August 10, 2009 at 09:31 AM

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July 24, 2009

A look at the recovery

Earlier this week my boss, Atlanta Fed President Dennis Lockhart, weighed in with his views about the shape of the economic recovery to come while speaking at a meeting of the Nashville, Tenn., Rotary Club:

"The economy is stabilizing and recovery will begin in the second half. The recovery will be weak compared with historic recoveries from recession. The recovery will be weak because the economy must make structural adjustments before the healthiest possible rate of growth can be achieved."

This quote was noted by Rebecca Wilder at News N Economics, along with similar sentiments from Nouriel Roubini and Mary Daly at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. You might add to the list Tim Duy's comments at Wall Street Pit and this assumption from Moody's Investor Services, reported at Seeking Alpha:

"Moody's predicts a 'hook-shaped' recovery path for banks, 'characterized by an upward tilt that lies somewhere in between a U- and an L-shaped economic recovery, implying a painful journey.' "

Says Dr. Wilder of the prospective recovery: "pathetic."

More colorful language than I would use, but if current forecasts come true, the early stages of the recovery will be as unusual as the recession itself.

How unusual? See for yourself:

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The chart plots the four-quarter growth rate of gross domestic product (GDP) from the trough of a recession against the depth of the corresponding contraction, as measured by the cumulative loss of GDP over the course of the downturn. The points within the red circle represent all previous postwar recessions, and they form a nice, neat, easily discernible pattern. That is, the pace of growth in the first year after a recession has, in our history, been reliably related to how bad the recession was. The deeper the recession, the faster the recovery.

The points within the blue circle are based on forecasts of GDP growth from the third quarter of this year through the third quarter of 2010, obtained from the latest issue of Blue Chip Economic Indicators (which reports survey results from "America's leading business economists"). From top left of the circle to bottom right, the points represent the 10 lowest forecasts of the most optimistic members of the 50 Blue Chip forecasting panel, the panel's consensus (or average) forecast, and the 10 highest forecasts of the most pessimistic panel participants.

I chose the third quarter as the reference point because nearly two-thirds of the Blue Chip respondents indicate that, in their view, the recession will indeed end in the third quarter of this year. Assuming this occurs, this recovery would appear to be a big outlier. Either we are about to continue making history—and not in a good way—or current guesses about the medium-term economy are way too pessimistic.

On another note, if you would like to do a little prognosticating of your own, I commend to you our new weekly editions of Economic Highlights and Financial Highlights.

By David Altig, senior vice president and research director at the Atlanta Fed

July 24, 2009 in Business Cycles, Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts | Permalink

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I'd be interested to see the recovery estimates of Blue Chip respondents in prior recessions...do economists typically predict a weaker recovery than history suggests (4 qtr GDP growth of ~2-3x the peak-to-trough GDP decline)? I'm also curious about the dispersions of prior recovery estimates versus current.

Posted by: Bryan Lassiter | July 24, 2009 at 06:14 PM

How can you have historical context without 1900-1942 on the graph? I call BS on the whole presentation without including the only relevant period of history in the past century.

Posted by: Able | July 25, 2009 at 02:14 PM

I didn't see 1937 on the scattergram.

Posted by: Alan von Altendorf | July 25, 2009 at 08:10 PM

It's not a recession. We are about to make history, and "not in a good way."

Posted by: Gregor | July 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM

Is the Y axis also inflation adjusted?

Posted by: cubguy | July 26, 2009 at 10:35 PM

A very powerful chart. The statement "the deeper the recession, the faster the recovery" is also consistent with "reverting to the mean" tendency of the stock market.

Posted by: Business Cycle Investor | July 27, 2009 at 09:34 AM

Isn't part of this comparing conditional to unconditional expectations? If these economists assigned probability 1 to the recession ending in Q3 then their forecasts would represent expected post-recession growth and your chart would be fine. If not then they represent an unconditional expectation---mixing anticipated post-recession growth with the possibility of continued recession. Not that this disproves your point of course, but would be interesting to try and more carefully control for this.

Posted by: JGB | July 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM

I'm a semi-retired business economist and do not have the historic data, but the consensus always forecast a weak recovery.

In 1981 I won the NABE annual forecasting contest by forecasting that the recovery from the 1980 recession would be an average recovery. It was the strongest forecast in the contest.

Posted by: spencer | July 27, 2009 at 03:13 PM

Thank you for laying out the playing field in such a succinct manner. The current projections do not fit well with the post-war data base. They are more akin to the decade long glide path of the depression, and why not. Many of the same dynamics are in place including deflationary pressures, unbalanced world trade, a predatory financial industry, and declining personal incomes and the accompanying debt deflation. The impending retirement boom is overhanging in the face of poor fixed income prospects.

This time around, Keynes is leading the charge, supported by loose monetary policy. I think the chart needs at least one data point from the pre-war period.

Posted by: Dan | July 28, 2009 at 07:04 AM

At some point, I will have to stop being surprised by economists who think the current recession should resemble earlier recessions just because they are all called recessions.

Cripes. A recession is a name for a few broad symptoms. If you want to diagnose the disease, you need to look at all the symptoms and consider the patient's history.

If I encountered a doctor who gave the same diagnosis to all patients experiencing nausea and fever, I'd expect that the doctor would occasionally fail to catch a very severe condition. Likewise with economists who consider the recession label to be sufficient for diagnosis.

Posted by: ottnott | July 28, 2009 at 02:20 PM

ottnott,

If you stray away from the tiny bit of information about what economists think in the graph, and bother to read what they say, many think this recession will not be resolved like other recessions. The graph itself shows that Blue Chip contributors do not think this recession will be resolved in similar manner to other recessions. Even the biggest optimists among them think this one is unlike others. So I have to ask, whatever are you talking about? Where do you see evidence here, or in the writings of professional economists, that they simply take "recession" as all the information needed about the current period?

Posted by: kharris | July 29, 2009 at 12:31 PM

Kharris,

"This time its different", its what you hear every time from the so called economists whether it is to explain why the economy should do well despite the dark clouds on the horizont or other way around why the dark clouds are here to stay despite first rays of light making thier way through the darkness.
The Deflation is caused by last years run up in comodity prices. Remeber, there is no deflation in a fiat system. Punishing the savers might not be fair but this the price we pay to avoid deflationary spiral like 1929-33.

Posted by: Buddy Aces | July 30, 2009 at 06:57 AM

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March 06, 2009

Dueling forecasts

When smart people debate, something interesting is bound to come of it, so I have been reading an interchange over the past couple of days in the blogs of Greg Mankiw and Paul Krugman. Krugman's blog provides the necessary background on the source of the debate:

"Greg Mankiw challenges the administration's prediction of relatively fast growth a few years from now on the basis that real GDP (gross domestic product) may have a unit root—that is, there's no tendency for bad years to be offset by good years later.

"I always thought the unit root thing involved a bit of deliberate obtuseness—it involved pretending that you didn't know the difference between, say, low GDP growth due to a productivity slowdown like the one that happened from 1973 to 1995, on one side, and low GDP growth due to a severe recession. For one thing is very clear: variables that measure the use of resources, like unemployment or capacity utilization, do NOT have unit roots: when unemployment is high, it tends to fall."

It is certainly true that when "unemployment is high, it tends to fall," but where it falls to is not always so obvious:

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Prior to the 1973–75 recession, the average quarterly unemployment rate was 5 percent. If you had a forecast contemplating a return to "normal" following this particular recession you would have been holding your breath for a couple of decades.

Professor Krugman makes the central point, I believe, when he makes reference to the "difference between, say, low GDP growth due to a productivity slowdown… and low GDP growth due to a severe recession." That statement is, itself, recognition that the economy does periodically experience protracted episodes during which average growth and average unemployment simply do not revert to previous levels—at least not for a long time.

One of the striking things about the economic projections reported by the Reserve Bank presidents and Board's governors in the minutes from the last meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee was the rather large variation in views about GDP growth, even as far out as 2011:

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That sense of uncertainty is shared by private forecasters:

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What gives? There are lots of reasons for differences of opinions, and I obviously cannot (and should not) try to divine what is anyone else's deepest forecasting thoughts. But for me, "low growth due to severe recession" does not automatically imply a demand-driven downturn from which the economy will quickly spring back.

When I look ahead, I envision the U.S. economy over the next several years in terms of a simultaneous process of recovery and reformation: Recovery in the sense that the actual contraction of GDP will end, but reformation in the sense of structural transformation in financial markets, consumer behavior, and perhaps an adjustment of the global imbalances that are arguably at the root of much of the financial instability that has characterized the past decade.

If we are right, the long run is indeed rosy, but the long run will only arrive after some significant and protracted headwinds abate. And that is not a picture that suggests a rapid bounce back to "normal" growth.

By David Altig, senior vice president and research director at the Atlanta Fed

March 6, 2009 in Economic Growth and Development, Forecasts, Labor Markets | Permalink

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That's very nicely, even gently and gentlemanly, put. Thanks for the clarification of something that's been bothering me. We are not only faced with the combination of a major recession inter-acting with a credit crisis (cf. Rogoff and Reinhardt) but the severity is triggering long-delayed structural adjustments in the socionomic system that we've been putting off for far too long. The chickens are coming home to roost and they're big, ugly and mean.

Posted by: dblwyo | March 06, 2009 at 05:58 PM

Most U.S. economic forecasters have plied their trade in the post 1980 world where asset, debt, and consumption growth have outstripped income growth. In the last 10 years non financial debt has increased $18tr
while national income has increased less than $6tr. The process is now running in reverse and has broad implications. The 8tr
in debt paydown/default needed to restore
the longer run debt/income ratio will be a headwind we face for years, not quarters. After-tax corporate profits increased from
a long term avg of 5.5% of gdp to 9% of gdp
during the debt expansion and are now headed
back down, perhaps for good. Business investment plays a key role in most economic
cycles while consumption is more stable. As
consumers repair their net worth through savings and debt repayment, the likely new lower level of consumption will surprise most forecasters. The cycle will steady itself when households have settled in at a lower consumption level that business can deliver at a 5% net margin. That is not in sight yet. The increase in govt spending and the expected improvement in net exports are small in relation to these secular changes.

Posted by: Dave A. | March 07, 2009 at 11:11 AM

"If we are right, the long run is indeed rosy, but the long run will only arrive after some significant and protracted headwinds abate."

I dont see any long run picture being rosy with the derelict energy policy we now have.
Lets not get distracted from that.

Posted by: retracer | March 07, 2009 at 12:08 PM

Interesting. Where does the USG regulatory and tax environment and consequent significant increases in the cost of doing business get factored in? Also, where does the likelihood of increased rigidity in labor markets due to [effectively] government mandated unionization of the U.S. workforce get factored in? The destruction of fossil fuel energy production for the chimera of "alternative" energy production? Etc., etc. The only outcome that seems assured as of today is an exponential increase in government involvement and control of U.S. business and markets. It seems to me that this might influence the dates and strength of "recovery" in the future.

Posted by: boqueronman | March 10, 2009 at 08:14 PM

Thank you for making the point that a reversal in the jobless rate need not mean that there is any particular trend to which the rate reverts. DeLong, in his first (second?) cut at Mankiw's unit root argument, seemed to imply that the jobless rate would return to some trend, so that the unit root question was not a big deal for real GDP. In comments, I made the point that the jobless rate didn't seem to have a stationary trend. No answer from DeLong (who tends not to respond to his comments section in a useful way). It is entirely an ego issue at this point, but I am happy to see I am not alone in seeing this point.

Posted by: kharris | March 11, 2009 at 07:40 AM

If Okun's Law holds, as Krugman seems to accept, the presence of a unit root in GDP says nothing about whether there's a unit root in unemployment. Okun's law says that the rate of unemployment depends on the change in GDP (this works best in log real GDP terms). If log real GDP has a unit root, its change will be stationary, so if Okun's Law holds, the rate of unemployment will be stationary. If we think of this as meaning that unemployment has a dynamically stable equilibrium, it still doesn't prevent the level of equilibrium unemployment from changing occasionally. Then it becomes a matter of distinguishing between those changes in observed unemployment which are due to changes in equilibrium unemployment and those which represent adjustment towards the equilibrium.
I would have expected that someone of Krugman's Keynesian leanings would actually tend to believe that there is a unit root in GDP. If there's no unit root, so GDP is trend stationary, the case for a stimulus program is much weaker.

Posted by: Brian Ferguson | March 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM

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December 17, 2008

Thinking about averages

In a recent macroblog post [http://macroblog.typepad.com/macroblog/2008/12/the-recession-i.html], Dave Altig described the employment patterns in the current U.S. recession relative to the average recessionary experience. Dave made some observations from the data supported, in part, by a similar chart to the one produced below:

Before the November job report, the overall employment picture had been fairly unexceptional compared with the average recessionary experience. That comparison changed, as I guess will happen when a half-million job loss statistic arrives. As of today, a milder-than-average recession has turned into a somewhat deeper-than-average recession, at least in terms of employment. Assuming that we remained in recession through November—and I don’t think that conjecture will draw much debate—the current episode is already a year in duration. A more apt comparison might therefore be the “bad” recessions of recent memory, the 1973–75 and 1981–82 episodes, both of which lasted 16 months.

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Dave’s comparison addresses two important dimensions of the data—the magnitude of the recession and the duration of the recession. Another important dimension is the “breadth” of the recession. Here, perhaps, the distinction between this recession and historical average could be equally insightful.

We can gauge the breadth of the employment decline by way of the employment diffusion index, which simply calculates the proportion of the industries (a total of 274, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics) reporting an employment gain relative to the proportion experiencing a decline. Recall that in a diffusion index, if a greater number of the measured series are rising than are declining, the index will be above 50; if fewer are rising than declining, it will be below 50. In the figure below, we see that the employment diffusion index during the three months ending in November was a mere 27 percent. Compare this number to the three-month employment diffusion index of the previous two recessions for which there are data. In the 2001–02 recession, the diffusion index bottomed out at 31.4 percent. In the 1990–91 episode, it hit a low of 30.1 percent.

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Another diffusion index (for which there is a longer data history) comes from the industrial production data (shown below). A total of 255 component industries are measured in this index. Here, the three-month diffusion measure hit 23.7 percent in November. This “breadth” of production decline is greater than what we saw in the previous two recessions and is more on par with the “bad” recessions of 1973–75 and 1981–82. These indicators of the scope of the economic downturn would seem to confirm a point Dave made in his earlier post, that “the [more severe] recessions of 1973–75 and 1981–82 are almost certainly more sensible comparisons [to the current recessionary experience] at this point.”

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So, while the magnitudes of the employment and production declines are near their postwar averages, the recent data appear to show a clear acceleration in the pace of the decline. Given the length of the recession to date, the current recession experience is approaching the more extreme postwar recessions in terms of its length. To this we would add the following—that the breadth of the current downturn, at least in terms of employment and production, would also seem to be on par with those more virulent episodes.

By Michael Chriszt, assistant vice president in the Atlanta Fed research department

December 17, 2008 in Data Releases, Economic Growth and Development, Federal Reserve and Monetary Policy, Labor Markets | Permalink

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December 12, 2008

December 5 macroblog Q&As

Dave Altig’s December 5 blog entry, “The recession in pictorial context,” elicited an array of interesting commentary. In this recessionary period, the questions that arose are relevant to today’s current economic state and it is worthwhile taking a blog to explore these issues in greater depth.

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I might suggest that considering the 1981–82 recession by itself, rather than in combination with its 1980 little brother, somewhat understates the "badness" of that period.

The 81–82 recession graphs include data from 12 months before the first day of the recession to 12 months after the last day of the recession, therefore the dates range from 7/1/1980 to 11/1/1983. The 1980 recession ended in July of 1980, so these time periods overlap each other by one month. Including this month does not “understate the ‘badness’ of the period” because the calculations are based solely on the recessionary period being examined. In other words, the time span has no effect in this case. The first day of the recession is set to one. The months before and after are normalized to the first day of the recession. If we were to remove the 1980 recession date and run the time span 10 months before the 1981 recession to 10 months after, the graph does not change in anyway apart from a shorter time span. This is because the data is scaled to 7/1/1981, the beginning of the recession. You can see this by looking at the 12-month and 10-month graphs, below.

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Are the unemployment rate comparisons U-3 across the various recessions? If so, I would be keen to see a U-6 comparison as well, I suspect it would be...illuminating.

The graphs used were U-3 comparisons. To clarify, the U-3 employment rate is the official employment rate used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the most commonly used measure. The employment measures range from U-1 to U-6, U-1 being the most restrictive and U-6, the most broad. The U-3 rate is defined as: “Total unemployed as a percentage of the civilian labor force” (BLS), while the U-6 is defined as “Total unemployed plus all marginally attached workers, plus total employed part time for economic reasons as a percentage of the civilian labor force plus all marginally attached workers” (BLS). U-6 data only ranges back to 1994, therefore only the 2001 recessionary period can be examined.

The following graphs are U-6 comparisons—the first graph compares the two unemployment measures, and the second is comparing the 2001 recession and the current levels (normalized to 3/1/2001, the first day of the recession).

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Are these apples to apples comparisons? Are the numbers from the prior recessions the numbers that were reported in "real time" or are they "final/revised" numbers?

The unemployment rate does not go through revisions. It is, however, benchmarked annually in March. Payroll employment is revised as additional information becomes available. All of the payroll employment graphs in the December 5 posting contained revised data with the exception of November. To see how these numbers are revised over time, here’s a comparison of these same graphs with real time (unrevised) data and the revised numbers (from December 5 blog).

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By Courtney Nosal, economic research analyst in the Atlanta Fed’s research department

December 12, 2008 in Data Releases, Economic Growth and Development, Labor Markets | Permalink

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Thanks for responding to my point regarding the "double dip" 1980/81-82 recessions. You are correct, but I think you miss the point of what I was trying to say. What I meant was: the two recessions, together, represent a very long period of elevated unemployment. There wasn't much "recovery" from the 1980 recession before the 1981-82 recession began. The unemployment rate was 6.0% in December 1979; it peaked at 7.8% in July 1980, before falling to 7.2% at the end of that year. In mid-1981 it began a new climb all the way to 10.8% at the end of 1982. The unemployment rate fell to 7.2% in 1984, but didn't make it all the way back down to 6% until August 1987!

Posted by: Bill C | December 13, 2008 at 07:09 PM

What about inflation?

Posted by: flow5 | December 22, 2008 at 08:51 AM

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December 05, 2008

The recession in pictorial context

If your head had not yet been turned by economic events, today’s startlingly weak employment report probably did the trick. Rather than repeat all the negative superlatives you are likely to hear, I’ll take the opportunity to step back and take in the current recession in a somewhat broader context. One way to look at this is to examine the trajectory of employment relative to December 2007 levels (when this recession began) and compare it with the average trajectory of relative employment in other recessions:

Non Farm Employment

In the graph above “time 0” represents the peak of a business cycle, or the month before a recession begins (December 2008 for the current recession). “Average” refers to the average experience in the seven previous recessions since 1960 (1960-61, 1969-70, 1973-75, 1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, and 2001). To facilitate comparison across recessions, I have normalized the level of employment at the peak of the business cycle to one. As noted, then, each point represents the level of employment relative to the peak: numbers below one indicate that the number of nonfarm jobs was below the number that existed as the economy entered recession.

Before the November job report, the overall employment picture had been fairly unexceptional compared to the average recessionary experience. That changed, as I guess will happen when a half-million job loss statistic arrives. As of today, a milder than average recession has turned into a somewhat deeper than average recession, at least in terms of employment.

Does this mean we are heading off the map in terms of past experience? It is hard to tell by just focusing on the average experience of the previous seven downturns. The previous two recessions—1990–91 and 2001—lasted only eight months. Assuming that we remained in recession through November—and I don’t think that conjecture will draw much debate—the current episode is already a year in duration. A more apt comparison might therefore be the “bad” recessions of recent memory, the 1973–75 and 1981–82 episodes, which both lasted sixteen months.

Here, for your viewing displeasure, are those comparisons:

Non farm Employment

Non Farm Employment

Not surprisingly, in the last two recessions, which were relatively short-lived, the employment situation had already stabilized twelve months after the onset of the downturn. So there may not be much comfort in noting that the employment losses are not yet out of line with experiences of those episodes (especially the 1990-91 version). The trajectories suggested by the relatively long-lived, more severe recessions of 1973-75 and 1981-82 are almost certainly more sensible comparisons at this point. And, as bad as it is right now, we are still a fair distance from the pace of relative employment losses in those episodes.

The story is similar if we adopt the vantage point of the unemployment rate:

Unemployment Rate

 

Unemployment Rate

Unemployment Rate

It is not yet clear whether the acceleration in job loss is a new trend or the lingering impact of a very bad few months, of which the worst is passing. It's always important to monitor new data and anecdotal reports to determine which way the wind is truly blowing. But today's report raised the stakes on that activity by a considerable amount.

By David Altig, senior vice president and director of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

December 5, 2008 in Data Releases, Economic Growth and Development, Labor Markets | Permalink

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Thanks. That provides some useful perspective. I might suggest that considering the 1981-82 recession by itself, rather than in combination with its 1980 little brother, somewhat understates the "badness" of that period.

Posted by: Bill C | December 05, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Are the unemployment rate comparisons U-3 across the various recessions? If so, I would be keen to see a U-6 comparison as well, I suspect it would be...illuminating.

Posted by: energyecon | December 06, 2008 at 10:52 AM

Are these apples to apples comparisions? Are the numbers from the prior recessions the numbers that were reported in "real time" or are they "final/revised" numbers?

Posted by: tyaresun | December 06, 2008 at 07:22 PM

"It is not yet clear whether the acceleration in job loss is a new trend or the lingering impact of a very bad few months."
It seems pretty silly to think Congress, the Bush Administration and your Boss would have signed on to a $2.1 trillion rescue package for our financial sector if they didn't wholeheartedly disagree with you.

Posted by: bailey | December 07, 2008 at 06:56 AM

Looks like it could get worse before it gets better.
I think the unemployment data is interesting when you compare it to 1973.

My fear is that the government spending packages will contain an inordinate amount of spending to help autos, spend on green tech, and other pet projects that are not economically viable without subsidies. They should spend on roads and bridges, sewers and infrastructure. Infrastructure investment can cause positive externalities which will help long term growth.


Posted by: Jeff | December 07, 2008 at 09:53 AM

What concerns me is the gradient of the current curves--steeper than average in most instances. Does this concern anyone else?

Posted by: Tito Titus | February 18, 2009 at 11:47 PM

These are some very interesting graphs. The unemployment is what worries me. I just got layed off, so add 1 more to your graph on that.

Posted by: Recession 2009 Victim | February 19, 2009 at 01:46 PM

I'm writing this just as the April 09 stats come out. Could you update the chart? Your way of looking at this is the best I've found.

Posted by: David in AZ | May 08, 2009 at 02:01 PM

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Do you see what they see?

It is now official: On Monday the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) Business Cycle Dating Committee declared—or, perhaps more accurately, confirmed—that the U.S. economy began to contract in December of last year. Not that you probably missed it, as the announcement was ably covered at Businomics Blog, at Calculated Risk, at The Curious Capitalist, at Econbrowser, at Economist’s View, at Greg Mankiw’s Blog, at The Skeptical Speculator, at William Polley, among many other fine blogging locations.

As always, the NBER Committee was forthright about what helped them decide the time had come. Here’s what they said:

“Because a recession is a broad contraction of the economy, not confined to one sector, the committee emphasizes economy-wide measures of economic activity. The committee believes that domestic production and employment are the primary conceptual measures of economic activity.

“The committee views the payroll employment measure, which is based on a large survey of employers, as the most reliable comprehensive estimate of employment.”

In the graph below (which does not include the 12/5/08 employment report), I’ve included gray bars to indicate past NBER recession periods, and a yellow shaded area to indicate the current recession (assuming, not so heroically, that the contraction has persisted at least through October):

Private Non-farm Employment

The statement continues:

“The committee uses real personal income less transfer payments from the Bureau of Economic Analysis as a monthly measure of output. …

“Real manufacturing and wholesale-retail trade sales from the Census Department is another monthly indicator of output. …

“The last monthly measure of production is the Federal Reserve Board’s index of industrial production.”

The rest of the story, then, in pictures:

Personal Income Less Transfers

Total Business Sales

Industrial Production

To the extent that contractions are judged on the basis of past episodes that bore the label “recession,” one can understand why the committee came to the decision it did.

That does raise the interesting question as to how similar to past episodes this particular period is shaping up to be. More on that to follow.

By David Altig, senior vice president and director of research at the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

December 5, 2008 in Economic Growth and Development | Permalink

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I can see dead banks.

Posted by: DNE | December 07, 2008 at 08:19 AM

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November 18, 2008

What do we know about infrastructure spending?

Recently, there’s been a great deal of discussion about developing, legislating, and implementing a second fiscal stimulus. One of the prominent components mentioned in the recent stimulus discussion is investing in infrastructure to create jobs.

The appeal of this category of spending is fairly obvious, as it represents one aspect of a stimulus package that might be expected to have a long-term benefit to the economy. A criticism has been that infrastructure spending is too slow in implementation to be a good source of short-term stimulus, but Martin Neil Baily, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, has a couple of responses to that argument:

“… I am also aware of the objection to using infrastructure investment as a stabilization policy because it can be too slow to work. There are two ways in which this problem could be overcome: First, there is great need for improved maintenance of the infrastructure, including crumbling roads that need repair and bridges that may age prematurely or even collapse because they have not been looked after… Second, there are state and local projects that are being cancelled because of the short term budget pressures. Sustaining such projects would avoid layoffs that would otherwise take place.”

So far, so good, but then the question turns to whether public investment on infrastructure really is a good long-term social investment. As always seems to be the case, the details can be tricky. A few years back, Bates College economist and Jerome Levy Institute Scholar David Aschauer provided a good roadmap of the essential issues. There is a lot of empirical analysis in Professor Aschauer’s paper, but here is the bottom line:

“… three questions pertaining to economic growth may be asked: Does how much public capital you have matter? Does how you finance public capital matter? and, Does how you use public capital matter? The empirical results presented in this article allow affirmative answers to each of these questions. Specifically, 10% increases in either the quantity or the efficiency of public capital are estimated to increase output per capita by 2.9% over 2 decades while a 10% increase in external public debt is estimated to decrease output per capita by 1.7% over the same time frame… The main lesson to be drawn from these findings is that in formulating economic development policies, countries are well advised to pay as much attention to how public capital is financed and used as to how much public capital is accumulated.”

Aschauer’s study was based on aggregate, cross-country data. In a Brookings Institution piece published about the same time as David’s, New York Fed economist Andrew Haughwout considered the evidence from our state and local Main Streets:

“Analysis of the effect of state and local government investment on state-level economic growth has provided a range of estimates, and debate about the exact magnitude of the effect continues. But most authors now seem to agree that modest increases in state public capital stocks would not dramatically raise state economic growth. In other words, that increasing public investment will not add much to a given state's ability to create jobs and wealth.

“Economists have been hesitant to give the policy advice, "Don't do it," because they recognize that some projects may have a beneficial economic effect even if the average one doesn't. They also realize that the productivity evidence does not take into account the direct household benefit of having a better infrastructure stock.”

More than most of the currently popular stimulus ideas, the benefits of increased infrastructure spending really do seem to depend critically on the specifics. Best to think about those specifics sooner rather than later.

By David Altig, senior vice president and research director, Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta

November 18, 2008 in Economic Growth and Development | Permalink

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What type of infrastructure?

No one would argue that another Interstate would provide the value that Eisenhower's did in the 1950's.

Software is today's Interstate. We need to identify and support the types of organizations, transactions, compliance, transparency and accountability necessary for the future. This infrastructure needs to be built if we are to bridge our economies to the more innovative and competitive industries necessary to prosper.

I see the government's being a key source of funding for this necessary public work.

Posted by: Paul Cox | November 18, 2008 at 09:02 PM

I suspect that this is a case where common sense will get us further than empirical analysis. Common sense issues:

Which infrastructure projects are funded matters.

Infrastructure projects that weaken state and local government financially will reduce the value of the projects.

As a country we need to balance the value of stimulating the economy with the dangers of increasing the deficit. I think we can all acknowledge that this is a difficult tightrope to walk. (But, the numeric relationships found via cross-country regression are almost undoubtedly very far off-base for our specific US case.)

Posted by: ccm | November 19, 2008 at 02:13 PM

In the US, hasn't output increased along with increasing public debt?

In Dr. Aschauer's paper, is the decrease in per capita output in response to increase in public debt due to currency devaluation?

Should we expect previously unobserved fundamentals to emerge in regard to extraordinary amount of US public debt?

Posted by: ChrisS | November 19, 2008 at 06:52 PM

Does this take into account that much of what seems to be needed right now is maintenance and repair work, rather than a lot of really new projects? (Though, locally, there's a trolley line extension that's been mandated but unfunded for years that could benefit from a few stimulus dollars being thrown this way.) Does the analysis take into account what might be lost if roads and bridges become unusable? Does that include things like schools, hospitals, etc. that might benefit from investment?

Posted by: Moopheus | November 19, 2008 at 11:22 PM

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October 02, 2008

The ISM Index breaks the magic number

If you are weary of troubling news from the financial sector, the week thus far has provided no relief in the form of good news from the economy’s real side. Monday brought troubling signs from the August report on income and consumption, Tuesday more of the same dismal adjustment in house prices, and yesterday an eye-opening ISM manufacturing report that elicited the following sort of headlines (to which I’ve added the emphasis):

Stunning Decline in Manufacturing Sector (Mark Thoma, channeling Real Time Economics)

ISM manufacturing index plunges (Calculated Risk)

ISM Implodes (Mike Shedlock)

No doubt about it, a 6.4 index-point drop in one month gets people’s attention. How unusual is that large a change in the index? Pretty unusual:

Changes in ISM Index

Even so, the more important part of the story may be the level to which the index fell:

ISM Index

The index now stands at 43.5. Over the past 30 years, index levels below 45 have not failed to be associated with a recession, either contemporaneously or with a short lag. Throw that and the other indicators of the week in with the most recent “freefall” in auto sales, and it’s enough to make some smart guys despair.

 

October 2, 2008 in Data Releases, Economic Growth and Development, Labor Markets | Permalink

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I think the Fed needs to reprise Operation Twist, the open market operation they performed in the 1960s by SELLING T-bills and BUYING 5-year treasury notes.

The markets are screaming for this.

Matt Dubuque

Posted by: Matt Dubuque | October 02, 2008 at 08:24 PM

In other words, the elite economists of the USA, given vast data, computers and years of really, really hard training, have concluded that there's a good chance that we're in a recession.

Posted by: Barry | October 03, 2008 at 01:00 PM

Is your sense that this decline is due to the credit crunch or could it be related to something else, e.g., a strengthening dollar leading to a decline in exports?

Posted by: DaveinHackensack | October 03, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Just look how steep and sudden that drop is. Amazing, but I am afraid it'll continue to drop for quite a while.

Posted by: Rjecnik | October 17, 2008 at 02:11 AM

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